IngenuityGap wrote:
If you can find the points to put a Lesser Reward on the Tzeentch DPs it will go a long way. 10 points to get a +2S weapon that you don't have to roll for is pretty solid.

akwing00 wrote:
Hey, I'm actually a CSM player overall, but I'm looking to make the slow transition to playing Chaos Daemons as my primary army in the near future. I've been doing a lot of research and overall I like the flying circus. I feel like this list is pretty standard, but just with a few changes which may or may not be for the better. So please comment and overall I'd love any tips on how you would usually play the flying circus in a competitive match.

HQ

Fateweaver- 300

Daemon Prince-330
-DoS
-Level 3
-Greater Reward (Lash of Despair)
-Greater Reward
-Flight
-WF armor

Troops

Plaguebearers x10-90
Plaguebearers x10-90
Plaguebearers x10-90

Heavy Support

Daemon Prince-355
-DoT
-Level 3
-Exalted Reward (Grimore)
-Greater Reward
-Flight
-WF armor

Daemon Prince-345
-DoT
-Level 3
-Greater Reward
-Greater Reward
-Flight
-WF armor

CSM Allied Detachment

Be'lakor-350

Chaos Cultists x10-50

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
No worries. The problem with plaguebearers is they don't actually DO anything... They just get shot at and hold an objective. Daemonettes help apply necessary pressure. Daemons are good because they're fast and hit quickly with a lot of high priority targets. Target and threat saturation is the way to go.

akwing00 wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
No worries. The problem with plaguebearers is they don't actually DO anything... They just get shot at and hold an objective. Daemonettes help apply necessary pressure. Daemons are good because they're fast and hit quickly with a lot of high priority targets. Target and threat saturation is the way to go.

I have heard that the portal glyph isn't always worth it as it dies too quickly or in some cases doesn't make much of an impact. I've never used it yet so I don't have an opinion on it, but how would you suggest I use it so that I don't run into some of these problems.

astro_nomicon wrote:
So does fateweaver let you take DP's of Tzeentch as heavies? I thought you had to have LoC for that

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

akwing00 wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
No worries. The problem with plaguebearers is they don't actually DO anything... They just get shot at and hold an objective. Daemonettes help apply necessary pressure. Daemons are good because they're fast and hit quickly with a lot of high priority targets. Target and threat saturation is the way to go.

I have heard that the portal glyph isn't always worth it as it dies too quickly or in some cases doesn't make much of an impact. I've never used it yet so I don't have an opinion on it, but how would you suggest I use it so that I don't run into some of these problems.

That's why threat saturation is so important! They won't be shooting at that with 20 daemonettes, fateweaver, and 3 daemon princes charging in. A couple ways to use it...

Drop it turn one, and try to spit out as many units as possible midfield. This will either be a cheap distraction and get shot at, or will be forgotten and do their own work.

Drop it on an objective late game and start spawning is another way to use this. helps score a last min objective.

When you spawn out units in my opinion the best units to spawn are pink horrors, as even if you roll a 1 and just get 1 model it can still fire 2d6 shots. Now if you keep spawning horrors all of a sudden every turn you're getting another 2d6 heavy bolter shots coming out!

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
The list looks good, some advice:

1)Psychic powers: The slaanesh daemons should be rolling all powers on biomancy - at least until they get iron arm. Tzeentch daemons want at least 1 roll on their own table to get flickering fire. This way they can use their vector strike and a shooting attack in the same turn. (It can also be used against flyers if you get their rear armour). The other powers should be biomancy. Normally though could roll on telepathy, but be'lakor already has all of that covered.

2) Portal glyph can be useful, although you may not want to take it in kill points games. If you do want to take it, then you could always drop one of your troop choices (the portal glyph will spawn more).

Personally if it was me I would run this:

HQ

Fateweaver

DP of Slaanesh - max points - 2 greater 1 lesser.

TROOPS
Horrors x 11 (for extra flickering fire shot)
Horrors x 11

HEAVY
Tzeentch Daemon Prince- Everything - 1 exalted 1 greater (Book)
Tzeentch Daemon Prince- Everything - 1 exalted 1 greater (Grimoire)

CSM Allied Detachment

Be'lakor-350

Chaos Cultists x10
Chaos Cultists x10

Same number of scoring units as your list, but also has access to portalglyph.
I find horrors more useful than plagues, but both would work interchangeably in this list.

Of course the portal glyph should normally be producing horrors (for cheap firepower) or daemonettes (for quick scoring units).

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
Book means grimoire sorry (the grimoire is a book in the fluff) (Yeah I made a mistake there, I meant 1 prince has the grimoire, the other should say portal glyph, my bad)

About troop choices: Daemonettes are probably the most offensive troop choice available, and as another poster said, can be used to put pressure on the enemy.

However in a Flying Circus list I would never do this. The reason is that your troop choices are the weak link of your army. Many players will attempt to destroy your scoring capability and win the game on objectives.
If you are running a squad towards them, then it just makes it easier to do imo.

To this end I prefer horrors (and to a lesser extent plaguebearers) for sitting on objectives in this kind of list.