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				<title>1500 Points &quot;Counts As&quot; White Scars</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Kor'sarro Khan (Moondrakkan) – 150 {Attached to the Command Squad}<br /> Command Squad (Space Marine Bikes, Apothecary, 4 Space Marine Veterans, 3 Storm Shields, 4x Grav Guns) – 240<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Grav & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Grav Guns) – 150<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Grav & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Grav Guns) – 150<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Melta & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Melta Guns) – 140<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Melta & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Melta Guns) – 140<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Melta & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Melta Guns) – 140<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Melta & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Melta Guns) – 140<br /> <br /> Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher) – 125 <br /> Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher) – 125<br /> <br /> = 1500<br /> <br /> Thoughts?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:35:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Whereswaldo]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think it is a lot of bikes.. which I'm always a fan of.. however, I would likely drop one of the units and pick up a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span>.. <br /> <br /> Do you face a lot of tanks? That is an awful lot of melta in your list. You could get the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> and do another grav unit with the left over points. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:44:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Roci]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Grav will also make tanks cower - or they should. After one grav hit, any following grav gun is about as effective at bringing down a 3HP vehicle as a melta.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:56:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ obsidiankatana]]></author>
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				<title>1500 Points &quot;Counts As&quot; White Scars</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/cd40025994d794e2c2d46f0b16ab1981.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/575449/6469882.page"><b>obsidiankatana wrote:</b></a><br/>After one grav hit, any following grav gun is about as effective at bringing down a 3HP vehicle as a melta.</div></blockquote><br /> Why do you say that? At best you'll just glance away more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(661);'>HP</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 23 Jan 2014 22:38:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ DanielBeaver]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5f528031fade7f38aa9e96b0bd177ea2.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/575449/6470045.page"><b>DanielBeaver wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/cd40025994d794e2c2d46f0b16ab1981.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/575449/6469882.page"><b>obsidiankatana wrote:</b></a><br/>After one grav hit, any following grav gun is about as effective at bringing down a 3HP vehicle as a melta.</div></blockquote><br /> Why do you say that? At best you'll just glance away more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(661);'>HP</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think all tourneys and most people go with the <br /> First grav gun shot causes Immo and 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(661);'>HP</span> and the 2nd shot causes 1hp (from immo) and then 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(661);'>HP</span> (so 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(661);'>HP</span> removed with 2 6's and 5 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(661);'>HP</span> removed with 3 6's)<br /> <br /> the advantage the grav guns bring is being fully effective at 18 inches on a relentless platform while the meltas have to get in under 6 inches to be the most effective.<br /> <br /> I would honestly drop the Storm shields from the command squad, change 3 of the metla squads to grav gun squads and with any extra points add more bikers.<br /> <br /> you could also drop the storm shields + 1 Melta biker squad to add in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span> with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> EWS a bike and have a Powerful beat stick driving around. extra points for a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> or extra bikes<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 23 Jan 2014 22:50:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Ninjacommando]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I find the main problem with Bike horde is that your main advantage (mobility) is limited by the sheer nunber of models on the board. I tend to choke myself and playing denied flank is very hard, also hard to spread out if the enemy brings allot of pie. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:15:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ blackjack]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1500 Points &quot;Counts As&quot; White Scars</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ @roci - I was thinking about adding in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span>'s going up to 1850-2000 point games.<br /> <br /> There is a decent bit of mech in my meta, and with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolt gun as a side option they really don't lose much - half grav / melta equipped should work out pretty well, I did toy with the idea of adding some flamer bikes instead of melta but idk.<br /> <br /> @ninjacommando - With Khan and a 4 grav squad + apothecary I feel that the storm shields are justified.<br /> <br />  Any other comments or advice?<br /> <br /> Thanks]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Jan 2014 19:17:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Whereswaldo]]></author>
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