<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Eldar 1850 list assistance"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Eldar 1850 list assistance FW nirvana(sp?). Tried to mitigate the damage he was able to throw out by stagger deploying my bikes frm reserves and trying to use my cover saves, but since his list also includes 3 units of pathfinder (10 each) most targets hes shooting at have upwards of 4-8 lights each....so no cover and a BS of 5-6 most shots= one dead unit of bikes each riptide, with the nirvana(sp) especially potent with having two big guns. Our game type happened to be purge the alien and it ended up 12-4 his favor with my 4 only being gained in turn 4 by charging my remaining models (one wraithknight with 1 one left, a single wraithgaurd, and a wraithlord with one wound left, and one wraithlord in the back of my deployment being able to bright lance his HQ to finish him off) and breaking one unit of fire warriors and killing a crisis suit unit and his commander HQ. My kill count was 7 FWs, 3 pathfinders, 2 crisis, his commander HQ. Night fighting was active which severely hampered my shooting ability, especially with the Knight having to waste a turn to jump foward in order to even attempt to shoot his back line riptides (i was unable to wound any of them by the games end due to the nova 3+ invul, the nirvana taking one wound from failing his role the last turn). So, after talking your head off dakka, here's the list I brought, and maybe you can find my weakness were I could not.


HQ:

Farseer - 120
jetbike, singing spear

Spiritseer - 70

Warlock Council - 150
3 warlocks with jetbikes, withchblades

Troops:

6x Windrider Jetbikes - 122
2x shuriken cannons

6x Windrider Jetbikes - 122
2x shuriken cannons

6x Windrider Jetbikes - 122
2x shuriken cannons

5x Wraithgaurd - 160 (305)
wraithcannons, taking a Wave Serpent with TL scatter Lasters, Holo Fields, and Ghost walk Matrix

5x Wraithgaurd - 160 (305)
wraithcannons, taking a Wave Serpent with TL scatter Lasters, Holo Fields, and Ghost walk Matrix

Heavy Support:

Wraithknight - 260
2x Heavy Wraithcannons, Scatter Laser

Wraithlord - 140
Bright Lance, 2x flamers

Wraithlord - 125
Ghostglaive, 2x flamers

Total: 1841

Comments and suggestions would be appreciated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6488979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6488979.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489156.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance
I would also drop the Scatter laser off the Wraithknight. You already have 2 weapons so you'd never fire it, remember 2 wraith cannons are better than 1 twin linked always.

Then get Shuriken Cannons on the Wave Serpents they will do more for you even snap shooting than a scatter laser you never fire. Even shot shooting they average a hit a turn due to twin linked.

Spend any spare points on more Jet bikes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489243.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance WS to TL your serpent shield gun mode? any actual damage the laser does itself is just icing. So far my games have seen them barely getting into range for the laser before getting either dying completely or immobilized against my bros tau. Good point on the WK scatter laser, we've been playing it wrong IE i've been shooting all 3 guns instead of the 2 a MC is limited too -.-'. I think i'll play around with the idea of either 2 WLs with dual cannons or just another WK. Any consensus on using the suncannon on the WK? And why switch out the 2 Heavy guns for the sword? Is the invul that important?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489658.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance
Another Knights gives Tau a problem. As you can be in assault turn 2 and certainly will be turn 3.

The issue you're having with your Serpents is the nature of a hybrid list against Tau. He can flat ignore the Jet bikes except with S5 firepower as that can hurt the Serpents. Meaning killing two Serpents should be doable in a single shooting phase. You out range him so use that to get the alphastrike. Or drop all the bikes and get 2 more Serpents for target saturation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489733.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance SL on the Knight to upgrade your TL shuricats to a Cannon for 10 points each.

Other than that, I'd probably do things a little differently. Since WRJ suffer from LD8, you could get your Farseer a max squad of 9 + Warlock, lose the two other Warlocks and get 2 min squads of 3 with a Shuriken Cannon upgrade.

Then I'd exchange the two Wraithlords for 3 War walkers with Scatterlasers and spend the spare points on some Warp Spiders. In the end, it'd look something like this:

1850 Eldar(Iyanden supplement):

HQ:

Farseer: Eldar Jetbike, Singing Spear, Wraithforge Stone - 150

Spiritseer: Spirit Stone of An'athlan - 85


Troops:

2x3 WRJ: Shuriken Cannon - 122

9 WRJ: 3 Shuriken Cannons - 183

5 Wraithguard: D-scythes in a Wave Serpent with Scatterlasers, Shuriken Cannon, Holofields, Vectored Engines - 365

5 Wraithguard in a Wave Serpent with Scatterlasers, Shuriken Cannon, Holofields - 305

FA:

10 Warp Spiders - 190


HS:

3 War walkers: 6 Scatterlasers - 210

Wraithknight - 240


That's it. Lovely troop number, quite a bit of durability with only 3+ saves across the board, crazy mobility and heavy firepower. Iyanden supplement because I think their Primaris is amazing, especially on D-Scythe Wraithguard(and think about a Battle-Focusing Wraithknight for a moment. LOL!) and because the Wraithforge stone can really up the durability of your big monstrosity. Also, Iyanden Warlord traits are pretty damn amazing! Imagine all your tough models with a FNP(6+) on top of it all!



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 FlingitNow wrote:
The issue you're having with your Serpents is the nature of a hybrid list against Tau. He can flat ignore the Jet bikes except with S5 firepower as that can hurt the Serpents. Meaning killing two Serpents should be doable in a single shooting phase. You out range him so use that to get the alphastrike. Or drop all the bikes and get 2 more Serpents for target saturation.

Yep, if there are any Broadsides about, you'll probably lose a Serpent per turn, maybe even both of them. So you pretty much have to shove everything you have down his throat. Expose your other elements, but stay out of anti-infantry range(or at least the double-tap range of Pulse Rifles) and force him to spend his shooting on your less valuable units. You need to have your WG in position by Turn 2 or 3 at the latest, kill something important, then entrench on an objective or go and kill something in melee(against Tau, you'll mow down anything without a 2+ save and their overwatch won't hurt nearly as much, considering you're T6) or shoot stuff some more, depending on the situation, naturally. And above all else, kill those Broadsides, Markerlights and Riptides asap. Broadsides are definitely target-priority number 1. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6489764.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance IDs an entire unit than a single (per model) s8 ap1 shot.

Also, ive heard bad things about war walker lately since the new codex dropped, making them way to expensive for what they do compared to other models in their slot. With the new vehicle rules, i can see why too av 10 with 2 hull points is gonna go fast against tau basically auto pen at nearly double range than weapon they can get.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6490482.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6490482.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6490488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6490488.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance
overlordweasel wrote:
Sorry,Araenion, unfortunately I don't own the Iyanden supplement book, so I guess that's out. broadsides over the riptide? I'm much more afraid of a bs5-6 large blast that ignores cover and IDs an entire unit than a single (per model) s8 ap1 shot.

Also, ive heard bad things about war walker lately since the new codex dropped, making them way to expensive for what they do compared to other models in their slot. With the new vehicle rules, i can see why too av 10 with 2 hull points is gonna go fast against tau basically auto pen at nearly double range than weapon they can get.

Single S8 AP1 shot? He's using Railsides? In which case, isn't it S10 AP1? But yeah, sure, if he isn't using Missilesides, go after the Riptides first. The fact you don't own Iyanden supplement changes little, just add a Warlock with a Jetbike and Singing Spear back in to put him in your large squad and ditch the Wraithforge Stone from the Farseer and Spirit Stone from the Spiritseer.

I don't know where you heard bad things about War Walkers. Consensus(and I can attest to that firsthand, I've been playing them for 5 years straight, in every list I built and they got much better in the new codex(10 points more expensive for a Scatterwalker and you got +1BS, Battle-Focus, which is HUGE! and 5++ which is ALSO huge.) is that they're one of the best, if not the best HS choice.

Also, if you're worried about Railguns killing them, just hide them from the Broadsides, get out behind cover, shoot and run back into cover with Battle-Focus. In any case, not telling you what to do, just giving advice. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6490879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6490879.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance
 Araenion wrote:
overlordweasel wrote:
Sorry,Araenion, unfortunately I don't own the Iyanden supplement book, so I guess that's out. broadsides over the riptide? I'm much more afraid of a bs5-6 large blast that ignores cover and IDs an entire unit than a single (per model) s8 ap1 shot.

Also, ive heard bad things about war walker lately since the new codex dropped, making them way to expensive for what they do compared to other models in their slot. With the new vehicle rules, i can see why too av 10 with 2 hull points is gonna go fast against tau basically auto pen at nearly double range than weapon they can get.

In which case, isn't it S10 AP1? .

Not the broadsides rail gun. thats s8. only the hammer head is s10]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6491399.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6491399.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance OP's buddy for deliberately gimping himself pretty hard by not taking Missilesides instead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6491601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6491601.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6491643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6491643.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance Lol with a tau army that is talkign 16 marker lights that 2+ cover is gone instantly and then hes ID so keep him in a squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6492857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6492857.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance
 Glorywarrior wrote:
Why don't you give the Farseer the Mantle?

Because to tau that means the eldar player wasted 40 points for an easy as hq to kill]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6492990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6492990.page GMT Re:Eldar 1850 list assistance
Lol with a tau army that is talking 16 marker lights that 2+ cover is gone instantly and then hes ID so keep him in a squad.


he takes 3 units of 10, so that's 30 lights in his list unless you meant 16 as in mathematically realistic lights per turn that are going to hit. And yea the farseer usually gets ID in his unit as is even with 6 bikes and a warlock to block him providing i don't fail the invul on the 5-7 wounds he has to take after everyone else is dead; so sry im'a have to pass on the "leaving him alone" strategy. I'd rather not hand over first blood and slay the warlord on the first turn for no effort.


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OK, been throwing points around and took in some suggestions and tried to stick to my theme. Here's the new list. As before, comments and more suggestions are appreciated:

HQs:

Farseer - 120
jetbike, singing spear

Spiritseer - 70

Warlock Council - 110
2x Warlocks with singing spears and jetbikes

Troops:

6x Windrider Jetbikes - 122
2x shuricannons

6x Windrider Jetbikes - 122
2x shuricannons

3x Windrider Jetbikes - 61
1x shuricannon

3x Windrider Jetbikes - 61
1x shuricannon

5x Wraithguard w/ Wave Serpent - 305
5x Wraithcannon, Wave Serpent with Holo Fields, TL Scatter Laser, and Shuricannon

5x Wraithguard w/ Wave Serpent - 305
5x Wraithcannon, Wave Serpent with Holo Fields, TL Scatter Laser, and Shuricannon

Heavy Support:

Wraithknight - 250
Ghostglaive and Scattershield

Wraithlord - 160
2x Brightlances, 2x Flamers

Wraithlord - 160
2x Brightlances, 2x Flamers

Total: 1846

As a side note, does anyone have any thoughts about dropping a Wlord or even both to put in some Vypers?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6493587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6493587.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6502444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6502444.page GMT Re:Eldar 1850 list assistance http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6502476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6502476.page GMT Eldar 1850 list assistance http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6502575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6502575.page GMT Re:Eldar 1850 list assistance
Drop the two lords, one singing spear, and the wraithknight "upgrades," then pick up a second stock wraithknight and 5 spiders.


Hmmn I actually like it with the suggestion wOlfgang7 suggests. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6502720.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/576823/6502720.page GMT