http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net tomorrow i will play against IG at 1750 points; it's first time so i dunno what he will bring (but he got a very large army so he can throw almost anything on me)

i was planning on using a razorspam list:

- Librarian with Jump Pack; shield of sanguinius and shackle soul for power
- Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack and power weapon
- 10x assault with jump pack; 2x flamer

- 5x assault in a razorback with HB; 1x meltagun
- 5x assault in a razorback with HB; 1x meltagun
- 5x assault in a pod; 1x flamer; veteran w 2x hand flamer [just to bring down 2x pod on first turn]
- 5x scout w sniper and camo cloak; sergeant has melta bomb

- Furioso dreadnaught in pod; Frag cannon, blood fist w Heavy Flamer, magna grapple
- Furioso dreadnaught in pod; Frag cannon, blood fist w Heavy Flamer, magna grapple

- Baal Predator, w Flamestorm and HB
- Baal Predator, w Flamestorm and HB

- Stormraven w lascannon and multi-melta

strategy is to bring down Fragnaught in front of his troops and blast them with 3x template weapons; AV13 on front, they will draw fire and probably die on his next shooting turn. If they will survive, magna grapple can help with tank or veichles
Razorback will close distance as fast as possible using HB to reduce guards numbers; hopefully he will pop the box only when asm are already close enough to use melta on tanks and/or to charge on IG soldiers.
Baal predator to form an AV13 wall and scout forward coming fast to close range and bring template hell on them (or becoming a 2x HB turret if immobilized too soon). I'm thinking about deploying them since start and make'em run forward, or outflank them hoping they will come at 2nd turn (i'm a bit unlucky on reserve :( )
ASM on pack with libby and priest to seize objective and/or close combat to IG troops
scout 'cause it's cheap scoring unit i can sneak (and also i got only 90 points left and need another troop )
Stormraven to bring down vendettas or shoot at dangerous tank

however, i feel a bit worried: razorback are too weak for sustained fire and lack on high penetrating weapons will mean tough times vs tank. Also, asm need to be packed around priest and libby and so are easy target for IG's artillery pizzas

so i was thinking about some alternative lists:
- Motorized Angels: removing fragnaught and both podded and jump asm for bike melta squad w priest and libby; 3x asm on las/plas razorback. i keep scout, raven, and 2x baal
- Bi-Lando: 2x LRR packed with 10x ASM (w flamer and priest); one has Gabriel Seth inside. 2x Las/Plas razorback with 5x ASM; 5x scout; stormraven
- Tri-Lando: 1x LRR with 5x ASM (w flamer) + Termi Libby; 2x LR with 5x ASM (w meltagun); 5x scout; stormraven; 2x vindicator

what do you think? the razorspam list could be enough or too risky against IG?
lando's are a good choice? my concern is there are very few scoring units]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6494420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6494420.page GMT plas.
That way you can take out SP, and that will help get more upgrades. Scout move should be great... if you go first... if you don't, put them in reserve and outflank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6494912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6494912.page GMT magna grapple for fragioso is good (so i can attack tanks if no unit in plain sight) or it's a useless point loss?
now there are 80 points left; what can i do with it?
- adding more marines to random/equally distribute asm units
- adding more scout to scout unit (so i can squad them in two 5-men squad)
- adding hurrican sponsoon to stormraven, storm bolter and/or hunter-killer missile to razorback, and melta bomb to everyone who can use it?

or
remove scout, then add another ASM+razorback las/plas
total would be:
- 4 Razorback with Las/Plas and 5 ASM inside w meltagun (one got also libby with blood lance and shackle soul, or telepathy and divination random powers)
- 1 pod with 5 ASM with flamer and 2x hand flamer
- 2 pod dropped fragioso with magna grapple
- 2 baal predator
- 1 stormraven]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6495170.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6495170.page GMT
I personally don't like the magna-grapple, but many do. you will have to try yourself, and find out what works for you. If you are dropping down in pods you shouldn't need them.

Hurricane bolters I extremely like, so I would say get those. Maybe a Multi-Melta Attack bike?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6496061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6496061.page GMT IG dunno if they would be useful or not: lot of blast and area of effect weapon, lack of valuable target i could need to snipe
MM attack bike can be nice but i have only one model so far...
magna grapple... dunno... i would say it could be useful against veichle (it's an _addictional_ S8 AP2 weapon); however, fragnaught is'nt designed for anti tank but for anti-troops; 2x magna grapple are 30 point, same than hurricane bolter or a couple of PW for veteran sergeant

i'm honest, i'm thinking about razorspam with a 4th razorback.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6496306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6496306.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6499614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6499614.page GMT i was in bed with flu all day :(

but we will fight soon so...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6500484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6500484.page GMT plas or just las.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6503512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577200/6503512.page GMT