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Orks (List vary but this is what I own)
HQ:

Big Mek w/ kff
Big Mek w/ sag
Warboss w/ PK & attack squig

Elite:

12 Tankbustas (they ride in the looted wagon)
5 'Ard Nobz (3 with PK)
12 Lootas
12 Burnas (usually stick them in a truck)

Fast:

Dakkajet

Troops:

12 Shoota Boyz in a Truck
30 Choppa boyz / 12 Choppa w/Truck (Depends on the mood)
11 Gretchin w/ defense line and quad gun

Heavy:

Looted Wagon (with or without boomgun)
3 Killa Kans

Blood Angles (I only know what he tells me about this army)

HQ:

Dante
Librarian
Captain

Elite:

5 Terminators (1 assault cannon)

Fast:

Ball Predator
4 Bikes (he hardly ever plays these so I don't know what they have)

Troop:

10 Marines w/ rhino (1 rocket , 1 flamer)
10 Marines (1 plasma cannon, 1 plasma rifle , 1 plasma pistol)
5 Death Company w/jet packs (1 hammer)

Heavy:

Stormraven (Plasma cannon, rockets, heavy bolters coming out everywhere)
Dreadnaught w/ las cannon
Dreadnaught w/ blood talons
Death Company Dreadnaught w/ blood talons
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Some ideas of what the BA side could do to help this situation :

- more death company, but no jump packs, just bolters and maybe a power fist or two.

- Put the Assauilt Cannon back on the stormraven. Your orks dont have enough AP2 to make it needed vs the overall number of shots.

- Dreadnaughts, these are not terribly effective in close combat vs orks, they will kill some, but very very slowly (aside from blood talons of course). maybe redo these as riflemen (2x TL autocannons).

- Lose all plasma pistols. For the number of times you will ever get to shoot one, you are better off with a combiplasma or nothing.

Just some ideas since I also play (and lose) to orks quite a bit. Your milage may vary of course, but these are changes that I could see being fairly easy to do and bring a fair bit more effectiveness.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504740.page GMT Why do the Orks always win?
as for the the rest..
he can skip 2 dreads skip the one deathcompany squad go for more jump marines w/ flamers
Baal pred is awesome outflank it with heavy flamer]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504750.page GMT Why do the Orks always win? HQs for a singe FOC]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504813.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504813.page GMT Re:Why do the Orks always win? BA list? One of the major advantages I seem to have is my trucks. I drive to where I want the battles to take place and his army gets spread out trying to keep up. At which point I pick them off in order. Could the bikes help with this? Also what are some of the basic strategies for blood angles? Are they suppose to be a shooty army or an assault army? They seem to be split between the two and fail to do either. As for Dante I have advised him to drop him and use the librarian in the 1500 point list. He is a lot of points and I am able to easily tie him up with minor units.


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Also the list is everything I own NOT everything I take. Usually I bring the two meks for HQ because I like da toyz. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504842.page GMT Why do the Orks always win?
Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Also, you have too many HQs for a singe FOC


it's not a list he listed what he have.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6504924.page GMT Why do the Orks always win?
 Gideon999 wrote:

- Dreadnaughts, these are not terribly effective in close combat vs orks, they will kill some, but very very slowly (aside from blood talons of course). maybe redo these as riflemen (2x TL autocannons).

I have no idea about the Blood Angels codex. Do they have Iron clads? If so one in a drop pod with double heavy flamers under it's arms might do quite good.

Mine tends to do quite well against orks and their paper armor on the boys. I usually tend to put them up so they hit the Powelklaw Nobs/boys first]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505000.page GMT Re:Why do the Orks always win? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505096.page GMT Why do the Orks always win? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505128.page GMT Re:Why do the Orks always win? BA bikes and transports? Worth the points?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505592.page GMT Why do the Orks always win? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505729.page GMT Re:Why do the Orks always win? BS or WS. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505753.page GMT Why do the Orks always win? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505811.page GMT Re:Why do the Orks always win? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6505947.page GMT Why do the Orks always win? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6506027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6506027.page GMT Why do the Orks always win?
Johnnytorrance wrote:
Can he take thunderfire cannons?


Not as BA.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6506575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6506575.page GMT Why do the Orks always win?
- Transport (or lack thereof) is a huge issue for the BA. That Rhino sure will give up first blood quickly, but if he runs one for each tactcial squad and then gets a few drop pods for the dreads that will help his flexibility a lot. Right now with 3 transports and the kanz on the ork side they can run circles around him, and considering the ork strength in close combat, this is a bad thing for him.

- AV13 spam - this is one of the things BA does well. If you run those dreads as furioso's, and run them with another baal, you would have a viable option there. Vindicators are nasty too although I see you dont have the model you could proxy. The idea here is to provide enough heavy armour that the orks can't focus down any significant amount of it before it gets to shot the pants out of them.

- Death Company - these are fantastic. I once played a game against a blob of about 24 of them led by Corbulo to tank the wounds (2+ feen no pain is amazing). All they had were boltguns. They wrecked everythign they touched.

- Mephiston - again if you are going to play an expensive HQ, he is far and away better than Dante. His powers give him wings (same movement as a jump pack), along with huge combat potential. And with the ork list having no 2+ armour, the AP3 sword isnt a problem for him.

Really the issue most marine builds suffer against orks is a lack of shooting to do enough damage before they hit your lines and eat you, or a lack of numbers to absorb casualties. Most of the time when I beat orks its by winning the mission, not by inflicting casualties.

Hope that helps!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6506782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6506782.page GMT Re:Why do the Orks always win? CC he needs with the two Dreadnaughts with Blood Talons he already owns. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507328.page GMT Why do the Orks always win? Podded furiosos with frag cannons should do a number on orks.
Flamestorm baals should cause you serious problems too. But he needs more than 1 or it will go down quickly.
Cheap jp libby to save points or the already mentioned mephiston, although orks is one of the dexes hes weakest against.
Termis are pants unless assault termis. As are normal dreads.
Corbulo leading some assault termis up through the centre could cause problems simce you are mainly footslooging, as you will not have the firepower to put a scratch on them, although they probably wont be doing anything until turn 3 at best. Proxy the normal termis before buying any to see if it works.
I never run bikes with BA but on paper they don't look so hot, especially when you can get their mobility plus scoring for cheaper on assault marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507515.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507515.page GMT Why do the Orks always win?
You mentioned about bikers as well, and I will say that I am curious to see if anyone else has advice here. I have never used bikers myself so I am not sure of their effectiveness, but they seem best used in this situation as a mobile, late game objective scoring unit. Though those lootas would likely delete the whole squad in one volley....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507614.page GMT Why do the Orks always win? Also bikes are only scoring for BA 1/6 of the time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507638.page GMT Why do the Orks always win? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/577800/6507708.page GMT