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Chunder wrote:
Thanks for the help guys... I now have a list I am 100% content with.

Some points:

i)Librarian might want to consider a PFG if you have tau or baledrakes in your area.

ii) Nephilim suck. If you like the model then by all means use it. But the rules and points of it are just bad.

iii) Consider melta guns, or attack bikes with MM over plasmaguns. Your black knights already have plasma, what do you have for AV13/14. Also, drop the vet sergeants, you should already be within 12 of the standard, so the LD isn't needed that badly. You should try to get more bikes in this list to make use of the banner.

iv) You can only have 1 ravenwing grenade launcher for every 3 bikes. So the max you could have there is 1. However the squad of black knights shouldn't be in this list. Instead taken them as a second command squad to get cheaper bikes, and the ravenwing banner.

v) As for you landspeeders, I don't like the loadout. Personally I'd go all one way or the other. Dual HF or Dual MM or HB + CML. This said I would actually go with more bikes over speeders.

As a final note, Belial is not a good HQ choice, unless you are making a pure DW army. remember, the company master in the DV box can be used as Azrael, considering he has exactly the right items.

Thanks for that!

a few questions...

ii) Using it for anti-air, although its not the greatest, at least its something for a chance?

iii) My attack bikes are equiped with Multi Meltas? I'll look into dropping the Vet Sgt though...

iv) Sorry that was a miss type, I do only have 1 per 3 bikes

What would your list look like for 1850 points as Pure Ravenwing? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/578253/6525003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/578253/6525003.page GMT Semi-Competitive Dark Angels - 1850 points AA we can bring is a Contemptor Mortis-Pattern Dreadnought. It's now an elites slots choice, too, which you won't be utilizing at all in any pure Ravenwing list so it should be free.

Unfortunately the rules for it are hard to pin down right now. The most current rules (therefore the legal ones to play) are from this book and from what I understand, it's been tweaked a lot since the last IA book it was in. I think it's 175 base cost now and have no clue what the upgrade points for going lascannons are. Still, it's a great anti-air/armor or air/infantry option depending on how you kit it up.

The Nephilim is unfortunately really, really bad at fighting armor. It's only reliable gun to do it is a single (albeit twin-linked) Lascannon. You're better off taking the Avenger Mega-bolter and having it go chew up troops or AV10 vehicles like Warwalkers. And, if you're going to do that, you're better off taking the Dark Talon as it might not be as effective at it, it can hover mode in case you need it to shoot for a turn instead of fly off the board, and brings a lot of utility besides with the blind gun and stasis bomb. Plus it benefits from the Banner of Devastation which turns it into a pretty solid Dakka machine.

I also disagree with the "YOU HAVE TO RUN ONE WING ONLY" thing people tell you online. You just have to keep in mind when you split the roles of the units in your army and make each of them specialized, they can fail in the role you brought them for so you lose redundancy. Even in my pure Ravenwing list, I tend to bring a bare-bones Tactical squad. Their only goal in life is to sit in the back and score on objectives on my part of the table. 70 points to get 5 wounds (even if it's just T4 instead of T5) is better than 80 points to get 3 wounds, if all they are going to do is attempt to score. It's worked out for me in a number of games.

Dual-Wing lists are actually pretty good, too. I believe they are stronger than mono-wing lists simply because it gives you strategic depth so if a guy is rocking the one thing that makes you useless, you have the capabilities of dealing with it.

I strongly feel pure Ravenwing lists should splash about 250-550 points worth of Deathwing units, else you're spending 5 points a model for teleport homers that see no use so you're better off painting your bikes White and running Codex: Space Marines. It's worked out fairly well for me. It helps quite a bit against common tournament Eldar lists because Eldar struggle against Sv2+. They might have bladestorm on all their shuriken guns, but it takes the same average of wounds for there to be a 6 rolled as you are likely to save a 2+ save to begin with, and most tournament Eldar lists rely on number of shots rather than saves by utilizing the Serpent Shield and Scatter Lasers on everything. Ravenwing Lists get blown to pieces by this. Deathwing guys can handle it a lot better. Plus, TW Heavy Flamers on guys you can deepstrike in murders unit in their whole codex not in the safety of a Wave Serpent.

It does mean you're weaker against Tau, though. Interceptor on all their units will jack up your deep strike shenanigans.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/578253/6525063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/578253/6525063.page GMT Re:Semi-Competitive Dark Angels - 1850 points
I'd run something more like this :

HQ – Sammael
HQ – Librarian – Mastery Level 1, PFG, auspex

HQ* – Ravenwing Command Squad – 5x, Champion, Apothecary, Dakka standard bearer, Grenade Launcher
HQ* – Ravenwing Command Squad – 5x Ravenwing standard
835

Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 5x + 1x Atk Bike – 2 meltaguns, Multimelta
Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 5x + 1x Atk Bike – 2 meltaguns, Multimelta
Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 5x + 1x Atk Bike – Multimelta, meltabombs
Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 5x + 1x Atk Bike – Multimelta, meltabombs
806

Fast Attack – Ravenwing Black Knights – 5x 1 Grenade Launcher
210

Army total 1851 (if you are being very strict with points, then just remove a meltabomb or the champion).

This is the kind of list I most like at the moment. When it comes to air, the ravenwing have a few options:

i) run away/avoid it, with you 12/24 move per turn it can be easy in some cases to simply out maneuver the flyer

ii) position the PFG to cover the models going to be hit by that heldrake/vector strike

iii) Chase them with plasma talons if you really need to take it out. (TL rapidfire plasmaguns will bring flyers down).

iv) FMC's are quite manageable with this list, because the bolters should eventually bring a flyer down due to grounding checks, and then your plasmatalons can do their thing.

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