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				<description><![CDATA[ Let's say I have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> allied with HE, and their Mage casts Hand Glory(+D3 to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>) on my skeleton archers, and rolls 5 or 6 on the spell resolve. Then my skellies have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 5. Do they need 2 To Hit when shooting, or the arrows of Asaph rule overrides their increased <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>, meaning they need 5+ To Hit?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:25:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ KeyserSoze]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It specifically says bonuses or penalties.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:38:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It also says "regardless of source of modifier". Is the increased <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> considered a source of modifier?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:45:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ KeyserSoze]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yes, unless it states otherwise. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:32:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Artee]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There is no way <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> will ever under any circumstances be modified by anything. It's about the most ironclad wording of any wording in any book.<br /> <br /> If Sigmar, the Old Ones, all the Ruinous Powers, the HE gods, Gork AND Mork, all try and give one single <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> archer +1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>, it would fail.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:27:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ DukeRustfield]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/68bbf0f202413a42de846f4ffc0a3e02.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580422/6551279.page"><b>DukeRustfield wrote:</b></a><br/>There is no way <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> will ever under any circumstances be modified by anything. It's about the most ironclad wording of any wording in any book.<br /> <br /> If Sigmar, the Old Ones, all the Ruinous Powers, the HE gods, Gork AND Mork, all try and give one single <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> archer +1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>, it would fail.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Unless there all saucy snake ladies!  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:59:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Interesting, I just re-read it.<br /> <br /> The rule states they never receive any bonuses or penalties to shooting. Which is a specific chart and section in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(13);'>BRB</span>. But that isn't the same as modifying <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> directly, which is a characteristic.<br /> <br /> The queen modifies <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>, she doesn't modify shooting.<br /> <br /> SOOO, I'm not actually sure.  Certainly nothing can modify their shooting per that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(13);'>BRB</span> chart, but can something modify their characteristic?  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>RAW</span>, I don't know if Arrows of Asaph addresses that.  Of course that also means you could reduce their <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> and basically make them worthless.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:21:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ DukeRustfield]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yes, of course you can reduce it with lore of shadow. But lore of shadow signature pretty much makes every shooting unit useless. I have made Leadbelchers, sisters of avelorn, dwarf handgunners and other units score 0 wounds in their shooting phase.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:01:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ KeyserSoze]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think that the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> value can be changed, but no modifier to the to hit rolls. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:25:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Acardia]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <strike>Arrows of Asaph rule states archers always hit on 5+.  <br /> <br /> The Queen stats that archers in her unit uses her <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> to Shoot.  So the only time <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> spell (+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> or -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>) will effect the archers is if the Queen is in the unit. </strike><br /> <br /> *edit Wrong info.. I know better than to post and not look 1st. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Feb 2014 01:27:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Artee]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It doesn't say that at all.  It mentions no numbers. And it doesn't mention <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>.  It says modifiers, which is an entirely different section of Shooting after <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>.  Modifiers isn't +<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> or -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> it is modifiers--your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> attribute doesn't get lowered if you march, your chance to hit does.  Read the shooting rules.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Feb 2014 01:56:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ DukeRustfield]]></author>
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				<title>Re:TK arrows of asaph</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Arrows of Asaph rule states archers always hit on 5+. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Nope, they don't say that, just that they "never count any bonuses or penalties to hit when shooting"<br /> Indeed a modifier isn't the same as changing the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> stat<br /> Hand of Glory / Miasma would affect them, as does Khalida]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:13:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ TanKoL]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok, thanks for feedback, I played a game today, I put 30 skeletons archers and i gave them + D3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>, multiple shots(2) from Nehekhara lore. I was against dark elves/ogres, this unit was pretty deadly.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:59:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ KeyserSoze]]></author>
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