http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net BT after I shelved them when the codex dropped.

Captain: Artificer Armor, Relic blade

Dreadnought: Assault Cannon, storm bolter

Crusader Squad: 7 Initiates, 3 Neophytes, Lascannon, Plasma gun

Crusader Squad: 8 Initiates, 2 Neophytes, Lascannon, Grav-gun

Bike Squad: 4 Bikes, Sgt with melta bombs, 2 Plasma guns

Tried to make it somewhat fluffy but still effective, as that was the initial reasoning behind their shelving

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How about something like this

Captain w/ artificer armor and relic blade
Dreadnought w/ assault cannon in drop pod
10 initiates, 5 neophytes w/ sword brother, MM, grav-gun
5 initiates w/ las/plas
4 bikes w/ 2 plasma guns, meltabomb
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580508/6552496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580508/6552496.page GMT plas squad for backfield objectives, and the bigger crusader squad for taking midfield ones. The problem with this list the more I think about it is the prospect of getting the first turn, and that's not a guarantee. (Oh and that captain is a throwback to a Castellan) I'll try this out soon and see if I can still play effective fluffy lists

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580508/6552548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580508/6552548.page GMT MM and heavy flamer. Venerable to have a better shot of that MM hitting and its a tad more survivable since its going behind enemy lines on turn 1, and then the heavy flamer gives some versatility if I need to hit some infantry. And since the heavy flamer is Str 5, it can do some damage on rear armor as well.

Although the smallest point game I have played with Black Templar is 1500.

But yea, test out your lists, see what you think. That one, small backfield objective holder may just be a waste altogether, and you may have been on to something by having two mid-sized squads. The one list I ran footslogging in I used Assault Terminators with TH/SS. I had an emperors champion in there and a chapter master with a storm shield. By the time I got in to melee, I had 2 terminators left, the EC and the CM. But then, from there on out that squad was moving around killing everything in close combat. I think you are essentially using that crusade squad as a delivery system for you Captain (Castellan) and his relic blade, and that works just fine.

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