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				<description><![CDATA[ Me and a friend decided to toss as many models as we own on the table and see who wins, he has roughly 3700pts of Eldar/Iyaden and i have an easy 4000pts between my Grey Knights and Black Templars. The army lists will allow for double force org.  I have never played a game over 2000pts and i am completely overwhelmed trying to make a list that will hold up against him. I could really use some ideas if anyone has some suggestions that would be great. I have the following: <br /> Grey Knights:<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQs</span>:<br /> Grandmaster<br /> Grandmaster Mordrak (4 Ghost Knights)<br /> Librarian in Terminator Armor<br /> Ordo Malleus Inquisitor in Terminator Armor<br /> Inquisitor Coteaz<br /> Brother-Captain<br /> Brotherhood Champion<br /> <br /> Elites:<br /> 10 Paladins<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 10 Terminators<br /> 20 Strike Squad (magentized to also be Interceptors)<br /> <br /> Dedicated Transports:<br /> 2 Rhino/Razorback<br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> Stormraven Gunship<br /> 10 Interceptors (5 with halberds)<br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> 2 Dreadnoughts<br /> Dreadknight<br /> Landraider Crusader<br /> <br /> Black Templars<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQs</span>:<br /> Emperor's Champion<br /> Captain in Terminator Armor<br /> <br /> Elites:<br /> 5 Sternguard Veterans<br /> 2 Dreadnoughts (1 venerable)<br /> 5 Terminators<br /> 5 Assualt Terminators<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 30 Tactical Space Marines<br /> 15 Crusader Initiates<br /> 10 Neophytes (or scouts)<br /> <br /> Dedicated Transport:<br /> 2 Rhino/Razorback<br /> Drop pod<br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> 5 Assault Space Marines<br /> Landspeeder<br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> 5 Devastator Space Marines<br /> Landraider Crusader<br /> <br /> I do have the a few extra space marines and i can buy a kit or two if needs be but thats about all i gots. Please  help me interwebs and Dakka-Dakka, you are my only hope....]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Need help with a 4000pt throwdown list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Anyone have any suggestions at all?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Without anymore Info about what your friend is bringing I can only shrug my shoulders and make sure sure those Dreads have Auto-cannon Pysbolts of death to bring the squishes out of their pretty little hovering boxes <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> Also, I'm not a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> player OR a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(15);'>BT</span> player, but do you really need that many <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>'s for your Grey Knights? You might consider striping out some points to beef up your troops sections (Or get some other shiny shiny toys that I don't know about.) Again, no expert but the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>'s just seem excessive, plus the fact that even though you have two Inquisitors in the list , you have no Inquisitorial units! Just a thought but other than that it seems like a bit lacking in heavy support. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 28 Feb 2014 05:12:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ MrKleen]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What i listed above is just what i own. I will be posting a list of what i am thinking of running tonight after work.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:26:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I plan on putting Draigo in the landraider with a squad of his paladins and putting the librarian with the squad of terminators. Use the drop pod to drop a dreadnought to cause some close combat havoc to whatever he doesn't have in a grav tank (which will either be rangers or guardians). Keep the two psyfilemen back enough to make him come to me and try to pop some tanks before the Stormraven comes in. Use the two devastator squads to set up midfield for some extra support in popping his tanks. I know hes going to be bringing every tank he has (5+). He is allowing me to use Black Templars as battle brothers for this fight too so i need to figure out the best way to utilize this, i am not familiar with running allies though. This is what i have at the moment.<br /> <br /> +++ New Roster (3725pts) +++<br /> +++ 4000pt Grey Knights 5th Edition, Space Marines 6th Ed (2013) (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span>) Roster (Primary Detachment, Allied Detachment)) +++<br /> <br /> Selections:<br /> <br /> Grey Knights 5th Edition (Primary Detachment) Selections:<br /> <br /> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> +<br /> <br />     * Librarian<br />         (And They Shall Know No Fear, Independent Character, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), Psyker (Mastery Level 2), The Aegis)<br />         Frag, Krak and Psyk-out Grenades, Hammerhand, Mastery Level 2, Might of Titan, Nemesis Force Sword, Smite, Storm Bolter, The Summoning<br /> <br /> <br />     * Lord Commander Draigo<br />         (Eternal Warrior, Fearless, Grand Strategy, Independent Character, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), Psyker (Mastery Level 2), The Aegis)<br />         Frag, Krak and Psyk-out Grenades, Hammerhand, Psychic Communion, Sanctified Flame, Storm Bolter, Titan Sword, Storm Shield<br /> <br /> <br /> + Troops +<br /> <br />     * Draigo's Paladins<br />         (And They Shall Know No Fear, Brotherhood of Psykers, Combat Squads, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), The Aegis)<br />         Hammerhand, Holocaust, Narthecium, 5x Paladins, 4x Storm Bolter<br /> <br /> <br />     * Draigo's Paladins<br />         (And They Shall Know No Fear, Brotherhood of Psykers, Combat Squads, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), The Aegis)<br />         Hammerhand, Holocaust, Paladins, Storm Bolter<br /> <br /> <br />     * Draigo's Paladins<br />         (And They Shall Know No Fear, Brotherhood of Psykers, Combat Squads, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), The Aegis)<br />         Hammerhand, Holocaust, Paladins, Storm Bolter<br /> <br /> <br />     * Draigo's Paladins<br />         (And They Shall Know No Fear, Brotherhood of Psykers, Combat Squads, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), The Aegis)<br />         Hammerhand, Holocaust, Paladins, Storm Bolter<br /> <br /> <br />     * Grey Knight Terminator Squad<br />         (And They Shall Know No Fear, Brotherhood of Psykers, Combat Squads, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), The Aegis)<br />         Brotherhood Banner, Hammerhand, Nemesis Force Daemonhammer, 2x Nemesis Force Halberd, 4x Storm Bolter, 4x Terminators<br />         * Justicar Thawn<br />             (Fearless, I Shall Not Yield, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), Psyker (Mastery Level 2), The Aegis)<br />             Hammerhand, Nemesis Force Halberd, Storm Bolter<br /> <br /> <br /> + Fast Attack +<br /> <br />     * Stormraven Gunship<br />         (Assault Vehicle, Deep Strike, Power of the Machine Spirit, Psychic Pilot, Shadow Skies, The Aegis)<br />         Fortitude, Hurricane Bolters, Psybolt Ammunition, Twin Linked Multi Meltas, Twin Linked Plasma Cannons<br /> <br /> <br /> + Heavy Support +<br /> <br />     * Dreadnought<br />         (Preferred Enemy (Daemons), Psychic Pilot, Reinforced Aegis, The Aegis)<br />         Fortitude, Psybolt Ammunition, Smoke Launchers, Twin Linked Autocannon, Twin Linked Autocannon<br /> <br /> <br />     * Dreadnought<br />         (Preferred Enemy (Daemons), Psychic Pilot, Reinforced Aegis, The Aegis)<br />         Fortitude, Psybolt Ammunition, Smoke Launchers, Twin Linked Autocannon, Twin Linked Autocannon<br /> <br /> <br />     * Land Raider<br />         (Assault Vehicle, Power of the Machine Spirit, Psychic Pilot, The Aegis)<br />         2 x Twin Linked Lascannon, Fortitude, Multimelta, Psybolt Ammunition, Smoke Launchers, Twin Linked Heavy Bolters<br /> <br /> <br />     * Nemesis Dreadknight<br />         (And They Shall Know No Fear, Preferred Enemy (Daemons), Psyker (Mastery Level 1), The Aegis)<br />         Dark Excommunication, Hammerhand, Heavy Incinerator, Nemesis Doomfist and Greatsword, Personal Teleporter<br /> <br /> <br /> Space Marines 6th Ed (2013) (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span>) (Allied Detachment) Selections:<br /> <br /> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> +<br /> <br />     * The Emperor's Champion<br />         (Chapter Tactics (Black Tempars), Fearless, Independent Character, Slayer of Champions<img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br />         Armour of Faith, Black Sword, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak Grenades<br /> <br /> <br /> + Elites +<br /> <br />     * Dreadnought<br />         Plasma Cannon<br />         * Dreadnaught Power Fist<br />             Heavy Flamer<br />         * Drop Pod<br />             Storm Bolter<br /> <br /> <br /> + Troops +<br /> <br />     * Crusader Squad<br />         10x Initiates, 5x Neophytes<br />         * Land Raider Crusader<br />             (Assault Vehicle, Power of the Machine Spirit)<br />             Multi-Melta<br /> <br /> <br />     * Tactical Squad<br />         (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads)<br />         Grav-gun (Graviton), Lascannon, 9x Space Marine, Space Marine Sergeant<br /> <br /> <br />     * Tactical Squad<br />         (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads)<br />         Grav-gun (Graviton), Lascannon, 9x Space Marine, Space Marine Sergeant<br /> <br /> <br /> + Heavy Support +<br /> <br />     * Devastator Squad<br />         (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads)<br />         Lascannon, Plasma Cannon, Razorback (Tank), 4x Space Marine, Space Marine Sergeant<br /> <br /> <br />     * Devastator Squad<br />         (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads)<br />         Lascannon, Plasma Cannon, Razorback (Tank), 4x Space Marine, Space Marine Sergeant<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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