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Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

MrKleen — GMT

Hey ya'll!
With the release of the new "codex" for our beloved (if a bit unloved, but not our fault, getting a full army of these lovely ladies would cost my left kidney and/or signing the soul of my first born child to GW, but I digress please forgive me.) Sisters, I have had the idea of IG+SoB stuck in my head for a bit an I wanted to share it with my fellow Dakkanaughts, because one, I love to hear all of your feedback and advice (me being not the best nor the most experienced player), and two, I would like to work out any kinks in my list, to make it work to its full potential, even if it would never be more than a fun, balanced list.
Basically, everything that an average gamer could want in an army <3
BUT, without wasting everyone's evening, I will actually get to why I am hear blabbering on the forums.

Anyways I was thinking about a split of 1250 to 500 split between the boys and the girls respectively, however the Sister's part of the list is still
UNDER CONSTRUCTION so that's where I'm looking for a lot of the advice, but also any feedback about the IG company will be greatly appreciated
also!
Led By Company Commander Barak Edom
Company Comand Squad
+ Power Sword for CC
+ Las-Pistols for the Vets.
+ Krak Grenades
= 55 Points

Troops
Platoon Command Squad
+ 2x Flamers
+ 2x Grenade Launchers
= 50 Points

Infantry Squad
+ Commissar
= 85 Points

Infantry Squad
= 50 Points

Heavy Weapons Squad
+ 3x Missile Launchers
= 90 Points

Heavy Weapons Squad
+ 3x Missile Launcher
= 90 Points

(Total 365 Points)

The Martyrs
(Conscript Squad)
x50 Man Blob
= 200 Points

Vet Squad
+ 1x Flamer
+ 2x Melta Guns
+ Carapace Armor
= 125 Points

Vet Squad
+ 1x Flamer
+ 2x Melta Guns
+ Carapace Armor
= 125 Points

Fast Attack

Hellhound
+ Hull Mounted Heavy Flamer
= 130

Angels Wings
(Valkyrie Assault Carrier)
= 100

(Valkyrie Assault Carrier)
= 100

Aegis Defense Line
= 50

Total= 1250 Points

As stated above I would love some feedback on this part, I already have some ideas on some changes but I would like to hear your opinions and ideas!
But for the Sisters I am still thinking up a compliant for the infantry, and I really only know two things.
A: Get an Exorcist (Duh, up to 6 shots of Str 8, AP 1 Baptism)
B: I would like a strong independent character to lead my Martyrs into battle, I'm torn between splurging and getting Jacobus, or saving points and getting a Canoness or even just attaching a Priest to
them. So what do you guys think? I know I wouldn't be able to get many battle babes on the table for only 500 points, I would just like to hear from some more experienced Sister players what the best combo would be for such a low point cost.

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

Brother Michael — GMT

Why only one priest? For the points they cost, you're assured to have both re-rolls to wound and re-rollable armour saves if you stick three of them in the unit. Added bonus: if all three ld tests succed, you get to let one priest smash as well! I do think though that both Celestine and Jakobus need to be paired with a sister squad instead of a guardsmen squad. On the other hand, the higher leadership is useful.

Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

MrKleen — GMT

Haha now you see my dilemma, cause I need an HQ obviously, but With so little troops I can get for only 500 points I wouldn't see a better place to put them! But I did overlook the fact you can place multiple priests in the unit, thanks for that tip! See my thinking was the conscripts being a tarpit/disraction unit of sorts, I mean nobdy likes the sight of 50 screaming Fearless fanatics running towards them, and that Vindicator they have has to target SOMETHING, so I would rather it be the Martyrs Plus if the happen to get to a unit and by some chace just roll over them (Priests or Jakobus would help) Than more power to them! FOR THE MOTHERLAN- I MEAN THE EMPEROR!

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

Brother Michael — GMT

I think taking Celestine with a seraphim bodyguard wouldn't be a bad idea. Depending on the situation you can then place her either in the guardsman blob (the usual situation) or place her with the seraphim (in case you need to drop an insane amount of flame templates on something and then butcher the rest in combat). How about the following:

Spoiler:

This will (in my opinion) give you what you need to support your guardsmen. You have three priests, I suggest placing one in the BSS and two in the conscript blob (as Celestine's ld of 10 will give you a 11/12 of succeeding anyway). The sister squad will be useful to both claim and keep an objective. The seraphim could either deep-strike or start in cover, just make sure you get the best of those shredding hand flamer hits you get for a single turn. The exorcist will do what an exorcist does best, and with the conscript blob you can have Celestine dish out an insane amount of damage while having plenty of guardsmen to take the blows for her. If there's nowhere you can drop 10 points in your own list, drop the storm bolter (a.k.a the 4+ against weapon destroyed), and change the heavy flamer to a regular flamer. Mind though that my only experience with guard comes from playing against them, so have someone double-check my advice

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

tankboy145 — GMT

Your imperial guard force is illegal, and isnt all to great.

You need to have 2 infantry squads minimum to run a platoon.

A 50man conscript squad is useless as once it starts getting shot at it will fail its leadership and run away or it will get swept in combat. conscripts are best when used with chenkov and send in the next wave using 1-2 units of conscripts with send in the next wave.

A lone commissar in an infantry squad will not do you any good, hes better in a blob of guardsmen, usually 30-40 man.

Valkyries are also very bad. They are only useful when used with multiple rocket pods or you take the vendetta instead.

Missle launchers also arent the greatest heavy weapon teams. Autocannons are great for more shots and putting more wounds on targets and lascannons are better with higher strength and their ap2 bonus to detsroy vehicles.

Hope that helps

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

Brother Michael — GMT

tankboy145 wrote:
A 50man conscript squad is useless as once it starts getting shot at it will fail its leadership and run away or it will get swept in combat. conscripts are best when used with chenkov and send in the next wave using 1-2 units of conscripts with send in the next wave.

That's where the sisters come in. A 50 conscript squad might be bad, but a fearless (and otherwise still ld10) squad with hatred and both re-rollable armour saves and re-rolls to wound in close combat suddenly gets a lot better.

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

MrKleen — GMT

Your imperial guard force is illegal, and isnt all to great. You need to have 2 infantry squads minimum to run a platoon.

I might be wrong, but I was going to group up the two platoon squads into one platoon so that the commissar would effect both of them wouldn't it? Or do you just mean he wouldn't do much good in a platoon with such low numbers? Also, Illegal how?
(Forgive me I am pretty new with the Guard)

Valkyries are also very bad. They are only useful when used with multiple rocket pods or you take the vendetta instead.

Trust me I know I would love to have the Valks In this list but I realized that I wouldn't be able to bring both of them and still maintain troop forces, and I chose the ML
for their versatility (at least that is what I think I could be wrong)

Brother Michael
Thank you so much for the continued advice! I didnt even think about Celestine untill you mentioned her! And before you mentioned the Seraphim I was going to do two small 5 girl squads with flamers in an Immolator, but I am starting to like your idea a bit better.

Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

Dr. Serling — GMT

I think priests are a great and fluffy addition to your imperial guard squads. Put one with the conscripts, and one with each standard squad. Priests are far better than conscripts, and cheaper, so you can save the points there for toys elsewhere.

Brother Michael has a very solid list. For your guard, you want heavy weapons when your on foot. Probably an autocannon in the infantary squads to provide long range support. The CCS probably wants a heavy weapon team as well, then a regimental standard. 4th guy can take whatever, probably a sniper just for a cheap long range gun. Don't take heavy weapon teams until you have heavy weapons elsewhere.

The platoon command squad with 4 flamers makes a very effective unit out of a vendetta/valk. The vet's with meltas would also be nice in the valkeries, otherwise get them chimeras. Carapace armor is not that critical if you can mech them up.

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

MrKleen — GMT

Took everyone's advice and here is my first draft of the completed list!

The Chosen of St. Gabriel

Company Comand Squad
+ Power Sword for CC
+ Autocannon
+ Reig. Standard
+ Flamer
= 80 Points

*Platoon Command Squad
+ 2x Flamers
+ Autocannon
= 50 Points
* Infantry Squad
+ Commissar
+ Autocannon
= 95 Points
* Infantry Squad
+ Autocannon
= 60 Points
* Heavy Weapons Squad
+ 3x Lascannons
Total Platoon = 310 Points

The Martyrs
(Conscript Squad)
x50 Man Blob
= 200 Points

Vet Squad
+ 1x Flamer
+ 2x Melta Guns
+ Chimera with Hull HF
= 150 Points

Vet Squad
+ 1x Flamer
+ 2x Melta Guns
+ Chimera with Hull HF
= 150 Points

Hellhound
+ Heavy Flamer
= 130

Vendetta Gunship
= 130 Points

Aegis Line
=50 Points

= 1200 Points

Sisters of Battle

HQ

Celestine
=135 Points

Priest
=25 Points

Priest
=25 Points

Priest
=25 Points

Elite

Seraphim
+2 hand flamers
+2 hand flamers
=95 Points

Troops

Sisters Squad
+ 2x Flamers
+ Rhino with Dozer Blades
=115 Points

Heavy Support

Exorcist
+ SB
= 130 Points

Total= 550 Points

What do you guys think? I know the IG part could probably do with some work but that is what I came up with after a few tweaks.

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

tankboy145 — GMT

Brother Michael wrote:
tankboy145 wrote:
A 50man conscript squad is useless as once it starts getting shot at it will fail its leadership and run away or it will get swept in combat. conscripts are best when used with chenkov and send in the next wave using 1-2 units of conscripts with send in the next wave.

That's where the sisters come in. A 50 conscript squad might be bad, but a fearless (and otherwise still ld10) squad with hatred and both re-rollable armour saves and re-rolls to wound in close combat suddenly gets a lot better.

So why not use a 40 man blob of standard guardsmen with ws and bs 3 instead of bs and ws 2 conscripts? its 10 less guys but Im pretty sure the increased bs and ws probably makes up for the 10 less guys. Also if you give them that LD 10 they do not get to pass orders on allied characters LD. The conscripts would have to pass on a 5 which is failing a lot. With the 40 man blob you pass orders more than half the time with sergeants meaning your blob will also get FRFSRF off more often.

Also the commissar is a waste because they are there to help blobs hold their ground with LD9. You can also only blob up infantry squads, not heavy weapon teams, special weapon teams or PCS. Only infantry squads.

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

MrKleen — GMT

So why not use a 40 man blob of standard guardsmen with ws and bs 3 instead of bs and ws 2 conscripts? its 10 less guys but Im pretty sure the increased bs and ws probably makes up for the 10 less guys. Also if you give them that LD 10 they do not get to pass orders on allied characters LD. The conscripts would have to pass on a 5 which is failing a lot. With the 40 man blob you pass orders more than half the time with sergeants meaning your blob will also get FRFSRF off more often.

I completely agree with you, however to get the 40 man blob I would have to buy a whole new platoon instead wouldn't I? Which wouldn't bother me so much I had the points. Plus the nature of what the blob would most likely be used for will put it out of command distance most of the time anyways, I knew I wouldn't be able to issue (At least effectively) orders to the meat shields... I mean distractions... I mean brave men willing to give their lives so more important troops can do their jobs.

Also the commissar is a waste because they are there to help blobs hold their ground with LD9. You can also only blob up infantry squads, not heavy weapon teams, special weapon teams or PCS. Only infantry squads.

Thanks for the tip! I would have wasted those points without it, will most likely use them to give some more special weapons to my squads.

Re:Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

tankboy145 — GMT

No, under the platoon option you have 1 PCS, 2-5 infantry squads, then however many special, heavy weapon and conscript squads. This means you have to have at the bare minimum 1 PCS and 2 infantry squads but you can have up to 5 infantry squads per platoon. and then you dont have to take any conscripts, heavy or special weapon squads but thats up to you if you want them, all three seem to be a waste if you ask me.

Imperial Guard with Allied Sisters (1750 Fluffy List) The Chosen of St. Gabriel

MrKleen — GMT

Well I already had two infantry squads so I was pretty sure I didn't have enough space. But at any rate thanks for all the advice tankboy, but yeah this is more of a fun army at any rate, so the conscripts are mostly there for my amusement