<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "The Lamenters: 500 Points of Fluff (suggestions welcomed!)"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net The Lamenters: 500 Points of Fluff (suggestions welcomed!) WH, and catching up on everything 40k related is proving to be mind bending.

In any case, I've chosen to run a Lamenters list, mostly because I like how they've somehow managed to stay loyalists despite all the butt hurt inflicted on them by their supposed allies. I've tried to build several lists based on their fluff, less about being competitive (although occasionally being able to pull off a victory would be nice). I've narrowed it down to 4 potential lists that seem to fit the fluff, but given my inexperience with the game, I'm having a very hard time assessing their strengths and weaknesses.

I'd love to get some constructive feedback on them, thanks!

***#1***

The Lamenters
500pt Blood Angels 5th Edition Roster (Primary Detachment)
Blood Angels 5th Edition (Primary Detachment) Selections:

HQ
-Librarian
-Blood Lance, Shackle Soul
-Power Armour
-Jump Pack, Storm Bolter

Troops
Assault Squad
-6x Assault Marines, Hand Flamer, Retain Jump Packs
-Veteran Sergeant
-Combat Shield, Hand Flamer, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon

Assault Squad
-6x Assault Marines, Meltagun, Retain Jump Packs
-Veteran Sergeant
-Combat Shield (5pts), Infernus Pistol , Melta Bombs , Power Weapon


***#2***

Lamenters
500pt Blood Angels 5th Edition Roster (Primary Detachment)
Blood Angels 5th Edition (Primary Detachment) Selections:

HQ
Reclusiarch
-Power Armour
-Jump Pack, Power Fist

Troops
Assault Squad
-7x Assault Marines , Hand Flamer, Retain Jump Packs
-Veteran Sergeant
-Combat Shield, Hand Flamer , Melta Bombs , Power Weapon

Tactical Squad
-6x Tactical Marine
-Veteran Sergeant
-Chainsword, Melta Bombs, Storm Bolter


***#3***

The Lamenters
500pt Blood Angels 5th Edition Roster (Primary Detachment)
Blood Angels 5th Edition (Primary Detachment) Selections:

(No Category)
Honour Guard
-Bolter, 3x Chainsword, Company Standard , 2x Flamer
-Sanguniary Novitiate
-Bolter

HQ
Librarian
-Blood Lance, Fear of the Darkness
-Power Armour
-Bolter

Troops
Assault Squad
-4x Assault Marines, Meltagun, Retain Jump Packs
-Veteran Sergeant
-Combat Shield , Infernus Pistol , Melta Bombs , Power Weapon

Death Company
-3x Bolt Pistol, Bolter, 3x Chainsword, 4x Death Company Marine, Thunder Hammer


**#4**

Lamenters
500pt Blood Angels 5th Edition Roster (Primary Detachment)
Blood Angels 5th Edition (Primary Detachment) Selections:

HQ
Librarian
-Fear of the Darkness, Shackle Soul
-Power Armour
-Infernus Pistol

Elites
Sanguinary Priests :

Sanguinary Priest
--Terminator Armour
Sanguinary Priest
--Terminator Armour

Troops
Death Company
-4x Bolter, 3x Chainsword, 4x Death Company Marine, Thunder Hammer

Death Company
-4x Bolter, 3x Chainsword, 4x Death Company Marine , Power Fist


**Edited to remove points**]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582552/6589840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582552/6589840.page GMT Re:The Lamenters: 500 Points of Fluff (suggestions welcomed!) 40k! Its always awesome to meet and see new people getting into the game

But, TO THE ARMY.

Now, honestly I think the first one is the best, its simple, its fluffy, and its symmetrical (my OCD thanks you), and it should be a fun but effective list at small games as long as you play smart with your jump troops!

#2: This is a close runner up for the list, honestly there is nothing WRONG with this list, I am just a fan of the extra mobility you get with he jump packs, however list two would be a TAD better in small objective games.

#3: I'm gonna be honest with you, Honor Guard are not really worth it unless your have an expensive HQ to protect, and even then they are still more of a flavor choice, yeah they can get alot of special weapons and don't get me wrong, they have their uses, just not here, too much of a point sink for such a small unit, and also it takes points away from your troops, which in lower point levels, are your most important option. Plus you only have one real troop choice, on assault and one death company, which are amazing! Buuuuttttt...

#4 First up, your Death Company can't take or hold or even contest objectives, so, sad face. In an objective game you would either have to kill everything or lose. Also, I can see what your thinking was with the Termi Priests, but remember, a model with Termi armor can not preform sweeping advance, and if only one model in the unit has terminator armor than the rest of the unit can't perfom sweeping advance (that rule I'm a bit fuzzy on, haven't check it in a while but I am 90% sure I'm right) so most of what your assault and kill with the angry marines with just run away the first chance they get. One more thing, Death company are tough, SURPRISINGLY tough, but marines are still marines and they don't do well on open ground in such small numbers, Death Company need some metal boxes to hide in or jump packs to reach their full potential in a game.

Now that we have that out of the way, here are some tips.

In all your lists you seem to love Infernus pistols, and as soft and fluffy as they are, they are not that effective, you need to get REALLY close to get the melta rule working for you, so honestly you dont really need them, save the points for Meltas or Flamers for your troops.

Librarians... Not really as assaulty as you may think, with some of the new rules for psychic powers remember there is always a chance your power can be nullified, adn with people like the Nids or the Space Elves running around those chances only go up. Librarians are generally delegated to a more support role in the army rather than a heavy hitter, which he can still do don't get me wrong! Anyways like in your first list, take Shield of Sanguinius, that way your boys can get up the board in one piece and you don't need to take those silly combat shields which will save you some points for special weapons. The other powers in such a list could vary, but just keep in mind what you want your model to be doing on the battlefield. (Might of Heroes could give your some good lulz with your Assault Marines.)

You really don't need to have your Vet Sergeants so tooled up, you cut out their equipment (leaving the power weapon of your choice) and replace your Liby with a Reclusiarch with a jump pack, and have enough points left over for some Meltas for your jump squads. That you allow your squads to hit MUCH harder and the HQ can lay down some hurt for himself.

ANYWHO these are all just suggestions and at the end of the day your the one that puts them on the table, just keep spitballing lists until your find one that feels right, Im mean thats what this fourm is here for after all
FOR THE EMPORA!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582552/6590083.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582552/6590083.page GMT The Lamenters: 500 Points of Fluff (suggestions welcomed!)
So basically, you're suggesting something like this?:


The Lamenters

500pt Blood Angels 5th Edition Roster (Primary Detachment)
Blood Angels 5th Edition (Primary Detachment) Selections:

HQ
Reclusiarch
-Power Armour
-Jump Pack, Power Fist

Troops
Assault Squad
-6x Assault Marines, Flamer, Retain Jump Packs
-Veteran Sergeant
-Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon (Spear)

Assault Squad
-6x Assault Marines, Meltagun, Retain Jump Packs
-Veteran Sergeant
-Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon (Axe)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582552/6590792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582552/6590792.page GMT Re:The Lamenters: 500 Points of Fluff (suggestions welcomed!) But yeah at 500 points there is not much your Assault Squads can't take in a fight, you would just have to watch out for some horde units like 20 or 30 man Ork blobs and such, in which case that flamer fuel would be worth its weight in gold.

But about the list, If you really want the power fist with the big man, just remember you can use either weapon profile on the turn he assaults, so either 5 S6 AP4 at I5 with the maul or 4 S8 AP2 at I1 with the fisting so it is a cool thing to remember depending on the situation! Oh, and remember the concussive special rule when dueling those MC you might need it. But other than that all I can say is that its a solid list! Any other lists you think would do well or you would like to try don't be afraid to post them too. One other thing about the Blood Angels, it might be worthwhile to try and magnetise the Jump Packs and the regular backpacks so you can swap between the two kinds without having to buy extra models (I'm sure you could find a tutorial on this site or a video somewhere.
Good luck in your first few battles!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582552/6591071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582552/6591071.page GMT