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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/5/senate-blocks-obamas-civil-rights-nominee/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/5/senate-blocks-obamas-civil-rights-nominee/</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Senate blocks Obama’s civil rights nominee<br /> The Senate filibustered President Obama’s nominee to lead the Justice Department’s civil rights division, with seven Democrats joining Republicans Wednesday in arguing his past history defending a convicted cop-killer made him the wrong man for the job.<br /> <br /> The defeat of Debo P. Adegbile, who as a lawyer for the NAACP filed a brief arguing that former Black Panther Mumia Abu-Jamal’s murder trial was tainted by racism, is a major blow to Mr. Obama. It comes even after Democrats changed the rules last year to overcome filibusters with just 50 votes — but on Wednesday Majority Leader Harry Reid couldn’t even muster all of his own troops.<br /> <br /> A furious Mr. Reid hinted that Republicans’ opposition was based on racism, pointing to to several other black nominees that GOP senators had opposed earlier. But in the case of Mr. Adegbile, his defense of Abu-Jamal was too much for even some Democrats.<br /> <br /> The Senate blocked Mr. Adegbile on a 47-52 vote, with eight Democrats voting along with Republicans for the filibuster. One of those was Mr. Reid, who had to change to vote for the filibuster in order to be able to ask for an eventual re-vote — which he did.<br /> <br /> Signifying the heft of the vote, Vice President Joseph R. Biden was in the chair.<br /> <br /> <br /> Read more: <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/5/senate-blocks-obamas-civil-rights-nominee/#ixzz2v76q5BQi" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/5/senate-blocks-obamas-civil-rights-nominee/#ixzz2v76q5BQi</a> <br /> Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Also on Politico <br /> <a href="http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/senate-blocks-debo-adegbile-justice-department-104297.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/senate-blocks-debo-adegbile-justice-department-104297.html</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Several Senate Democrats joined with Republicans on Wednesday to block President Barack Obama’s controversial nominee to lead the Justice Department’s civil rights division.<br /> <br /> The rejection of Debo Adegbile in a 47-52 vote marks the first time that one of Obama’s nominees was thwarted since Senate Democrats changed filibuster rules in November. The nomination needed 51 votes to advance.<br /> <br /> Continue Reading Text Size<br /> -+resetAdvertisementLatest on POLITICO<br /> McCain: Clinton comments 'right'<br /> Senate blocks Obama's DOJ nominee<br /> Facebook to monitor gun ads<br /> Bachmann pans <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span> 1062 veto<br /> Military ups game amid Ukraine crisis<br /> Romney backs Ernst in Iowa race<br /> Vice President Joe Biden presided over the vote in case he would need to break a tie.<br /> <br /> (Also on POLITICO: Reid continues battle with Kochs)<br /> <br /> Adegbile drew opposition and scrutiny from national law enforcement organizations as well as Senate Republicans for his work representing Mumia Abu-Jamal, who was convicted of killing Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner in 1981. Adegbile previously worked for the NAACP’s Legal Defense Fund, which worked in support of Abu-Jamal’s efforts to overturn his death sentence.<br /> <br /> That past led both of Pennsylvania’s senators — including Democrat Bob Casey — to oppose Adegbile’s nomination. Republicans spent much of Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning on the Senate floor criticizing the assistant <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> choice pointedly for his work with Abu-Jamal.<br /> <br /> “He decided to join a political cause … and in my view, by doing so he demonstrated his own contempt for — and frankly a willingness to undermine — the criminal justice system of the United States,” said Sen. Pat Toomey (R-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(333);'>Pa</span>.). “I do not believe that Mr. Adegbile’s nomination is consistent with justice for the family of officer Danny Faulkner or for anyone else that cares about the law enforcement community.”<br /> <br /> (Also on POLITICO: Facebook to monitor gun ads)<br /> <br /> But it wasn’t just the GOP. Along with Casey, Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Joe Donnelly of Indiana and Chris [<a href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp">see forum posting rules</a>] of Delaware voted to block the nomination. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) also voted no, which — under Senate rules — allows him to bring the nomination back to the floor at a later time.<br /> <br /> “It is important that we ensure that Pennsylvanians and citizens across the country have full confidence in their public representatives — both elected and appointed,” Casey said, explaining his opposition in a written statement. “The vicious murder of Officer Faulkner in the line of duty and the events that followed in the 30 years since his death have left open wounds for Maureen Faulkner and her family as well as the City of Philadelphia.”<br /> <br /> The GOP most likely would have blocked the high-profile Obama nominee before Democrats changed the Senate rules on Nov. 21, 2013, to lower the voting threshold needed to clear a filibuster on most presidential nominees from 60 votes to a simple majority. President Barack Obama announced his intent to nominate Adegbile to the assistant <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> post on Nov. 14.<br /> <br /> Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said that if Democrats approved Adegbile, they shouldn’t be surprised if Republicans continue to slow confirmation of Obama’s nominees, given that the party can no longer reject the president’s picks.<br /> <br /> “The nominee inserted his office in an effort to turn reality on its head, impugn honorable and selfless law enforcement officers and glorify an unrepentant cop killer,” McConnell said. “Members of the majority who voted for this heavy-handed [rules change] last fall will be responsible for the nominee’s confirmation today.”<br /> <br /> The nomination was also opposed by local Pennsylvania officials as well as national organizations like the Fraternal Order of Police and the National Association of Police Officials, which described Adegbile as someone who “made his name defending one of the most notorious and unrepentant cop killers around.”<br /> <br /> A group of 86 organizations, including the AFL-CIO and NAACP, wrote to senators this week urging them to support Adegbile. In the letter the groups called Adegbile “one of the preeminent civil rights litigators of his generation” and made no mention of Abu-Jamal.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Read more: <a href="http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/senate-blocks-debo-adegbile-justice-department-104297.html#ixzz2v77TlB3y" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/senate-blocks-debo-adegbile-justice-department-104297.html#ixzz2v77TlB3y</a></div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Of course...  it had to be about his race.  That's why the Republicans blocked him.<br /> <br /> I'm getting so fething sick and tired of hearing that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>bs</span> excuse.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sometimes racism can play a part, but I don't think this was one of those times.  It just seems like they picked an untenable nominee, to the point where most of their own party wasn't agreeable.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2fd2e8dde23fc42aec5699530e5e2c74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6603429.page"><b>Ahtman wrote:</b></a><br/>Sometimes racism can play a part, but I don't think this was one of those times.  It just seems like they picked an untenable nominee, to the point where most of their own party wasn't agreeable.</div></blockquote><br /> Of course not, because it's more important to portray an idea of "we support law enforcement!" than it is to actually look at someone based on their merit.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Advocating for a cop killer, and having the cop's widow show up to testify against him tends to put a damper on the old nomination. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Cop Killer and in the way he did it... <br /> <br /> Cop Killer<br /> <br /> Ried is wrong on saying racism played a part Those two words right there tainted the nominee. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/43bcc5f53e1cc7c47a3211c6ed6e04f5.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6603445.page"><b>Kanluwen wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2fd2e8dde23fc42aec5699530e5e2c74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6603429.page"><b>Ahtman wrote:</b></a><br/>Sometimes racism can play a part, but I don't think this was one of those times.  It just seems like they picked an untenable nominee, to the point where most of their own party wasn't agreeable.</div></blockquote><br /> Of course not, because it's more important to portray an idea of "we support law enforcement!" than it is to actually look at someone based on their merit.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What fantasy world are you living in where political nominations were ever based solely merit? ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Are you saying the nominatee for the Argentinian Ambbassadorship was not based solely on merit? How dare you sir!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ambassadors are different from department positions.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Judging by this nominee that would be incorrect.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/96cea106a6d01a4adda65c5117d1354d.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6603358.page"><b>djones520 wrote:</b></a><br/>Of course...  it had to be about his race.  That's why the Republicans blocked him.<br /> <br /> I'm getting so fething sick and tired of hearing that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>bs</span> excuse.</div></blockquote><br /> Is that why the Democrats blocked him also?  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> I'm happy that my Senator crossed party lines to block this nomination]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ All I want to do is quote mumia abu'Jamals sound clips from revolutionary volume 2.  Bummer that defending someone who had some pretty good thoughts on civil rights gets you blocked from a civil rights leader type job.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604023.page"><b>Chancetragedy wrote:</b></a><br/>All I want to do is quote mumia abu'Jamals sound clips from revolutionary volume 2.  Bummer that defending someone blew a cop away kinds gets looked unfavorably upon for a Department of Justice position.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Fixed your typo. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604043.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604023.page"><b>Chancetragedy wrote:</b></a><br/>All I want to do is quote mumia abu'Jamals sound clips from revolutionary volume 2.  Bummer that defending someone who blew a cop away in self defense after being shot himself kind of gets looked unfavorably upon for a Department of Justice position.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Fixed your typo. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Fixed your typo fix typos for yah.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Can't be self defense if he was convicted and upheld by 18,000 appellate decisions. Sorry charlie.  He's a cause for the lefty mouth breathers, many of whim like to say things like "F the Man" and where Chevera Tshirts.  <br /> <br /> Being part of that circus is  a negative, when there are actual qualified candidates available. Frankly you have to ask, what were they smoking when they submitted him for nomination for the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE (you know <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span>'s who have to work with cops and all)? Its an unserious candidate. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> <br /> A furious Mr. Reid hinted that Republicans’ opposition was based on racism, pointing to to several other black nominees that GOP senators had opposed earlier. <br /> <br /> seven Democrats joining Republicans Wednesday in arguing his past history defending a convicted cop-killer made him the wrong man for the job.(so democrats are also racist on this?)</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> sounds like someone is mad that even with changing the rules to his magic # to pass things, he still cant do whatever he wants.<br /> <br /> Playing the "Calling everyone racist for disagreeing" card a bit early here... <br /> <br /> Im pretty sure that the people voting against this are more along the lines of "hmm his history as defending a cop killer might not be good for such a high public office"-ist]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I can't and won't argue with the fact there are more qualified candidates for sure.  But to be rejected based solely(speculation as that's all the article really cites) on the fact you were an NAACP lawyer who filed a motion defending someone who (whether you agree or not is irrelevant) is regarded as having some pretty good civil rights ideas and papers written is not exactly what I would deem on the up and up. <br /> <br /> Edit : to say I agree with easy sauce to say that it's pretty clear this was or based in that they would rather not deal with. " defended a cop killer" rants and such.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm just running the opposition's ad in my head showing the face of Jamal the killer and having that slow change to the candidate's face with "voted to have this guy's attorney elected to the Department of...Justice! SHAME!"<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604110.page"><b>Chancetragedy wrote:</b></a><br/>I can't and won't argue with the fact there are more qualified candidates for sure.  But to be rejected based solely(speculation as that's all the article really cites) on the fact you were an NAACP lawyer who filed a motion defending someone who (whether you agree or not is irrelevant) is regarded as having some pretty good civil rights ideas and papers written is not exactly what I would deem on the up and up. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Horse gak.  He advocated for the cause of a cop killer. Nominating him to<i><u><b> head up a department of prosecutors </b></u></i>is not sane. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Edited my post to kind of agree with that last sentiment frazz.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Exactly. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604110.page"><b>Chancetragedy wrote:</b></a><br/>I can't and won't argue with the fact there are more qualified candidates for sure.  But to be rejected based solely(speculation as that's all the article really cites) on the fact you were an NAACP lawyer who filed a motion defending someone who (whether you agree or not is irrelevant) is regarded as having some pretty good civil rights ideas and papers written is not exactly what I would deem on the up and up. <br /> <br /> Edit : to say I agree with easy sauce to say that it's pretty clear this was or based in that they would rather not deal with. " defended a cop killer" rants and such.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> looked up this guy, and he wasnt exactly ... forced into it, he filed an amicus curiae after the initial trial, which is something done completely at his own behest.<br /> <br /> from wiki<br /> "Adegbile and other lawyers filed an amicus curiae brief with the United States Supreme Court in 2009, arguing that the conviction was invalid because of racial discrimination in jury selection"<br /> <br /> so lawyer freely stands up for a guy who killed a cop, on the grounds that the jury was racist.<br /> <br /> now this same guy doesnt get the appointment, on the grounds that the senate is racist.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I have never understood the Mumia abu-Jamal fan club.  You want to argue that he's redeemed himself in prison sufficient to wiggle out of the death penalty, I could buy that argument (I would not agree but the courts did, so whatever), sure. You want to say it's immoral to even have the death penalty, <b>ever</b>, as my mom does, I could see that argument as well (I would not agree). <br /> <br /> But, <i>free him</i>? Seriously, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(334);'>wtf</span>?  The evidence is pretty overwhelming. He did it. He definitely did it. I don't care about his politics, he murdered a cop.  They found his gun, registered to him. The rounds match the gun. He was wearing a fething shoulder holster. The bullets in him came from the cop. Sure, there were eyewitness inconsistencies, but that's human nature, there always will be. His best explanation is a SODDI defense? Don't make me laugh, man. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I agree with frazz, After so much evidence was that Mumu just shot a cop for pulling over his brother, to still say he is innocent is pants on head,]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e38fc245cda24ddf971cefa95472e77c.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604143.page"><b>easysauce wrote:</b></a><br/>looked up this guy, and he wasnt exactly ... forced into it, he filed an amicus curiae after the initial trial, which is something done completely at his own behest.<br /> <br /> from wiki<br /> "Adegbile and other lawyers filed an amicus curiae brief with the United States Supreme Court in 2009, arguing that the conviction was invalid because of racial discrimination in jury selection"<br /> <br /> so lawyer freely stands up for a guy who killed a cop, on the grounds that the jury was racist.<br /> <br /> now this same guy doesnt get the appointment, on the grounds that the senate is racist.</div></blockquote><br /> So it was not as though he was appointed as a public defender and just so happened to get this particular client. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm disappointed to see so many people who don't understand that the justice system only functions when <i>everyone</i>, no matter how much you might hate them or think that they deserve their punishment, is entitled to the best defense possible. And yes, in a country where racism still exists and biases juries, that includes questioning whether racism had an impact on the conviction and sentencing. There's something seriously wrong when merely defending the "wrong" person is enough to cast doubt on someone's professional qualifications.<br /> <br /> And I'm also disappointed by the mindless police worship here. A "cop killer" is no worse than any other murderer, and we need to stop acting like anyone defending someone accused of that particular kind of murder is guilty of treason.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>I'm disappointed to see so many people who don't understand that the justice system only functions when everyone, no matter how much you might hate them or think that they deserve their punishment, is entitled to the best defense possible. And yes, in a country where racism still exists and biases juries, that includes questioning whether racism had an impact on the conviction and sentencing. There's something seriously wrong when merely defending the "wrong" person is enough to cast doubt on someone's professional qualifications. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Stigma of helping a "Cop Killer" of avoiding "justice". I've nothing against the guy Reid though playing the race card was a bit much. People have spoken through their Reps to not nominate the Lawyer for the position. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You would probably be less disappointed in others if you read what they actually wrote and projected a little less about what you want to think they wrote.  For instance, he was never denied a defense, and no one has claimed wasn't allowed one.  The instance in question wasn't a lawyer defending the person as their counsel in court, but as a third party years later.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ like 25 years later]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/831e6d69e89adda4de61a3b4c7ead806.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604663.page"><b>Jihadin wrote:</b></a><br/>like 25 years later</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And the argument wasn't even very good.  It wasn't that he should go free because he wasn't guilty, but that it was ok to shoot the cop back then because race relations were more problematic.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6e2a7a65b40f1b794057fa352dcb053f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604584.page"><b>Peregrine wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm disappointed to see so many people who don't understand that the justice system only functions when <i>everyone</i>, no matter how much you might hate them or think that they deserve their punishment, is entitled to the best defense possible. And yes, in a country where racism still exists and biases juries, that includes questioning whether racism had an impact on the conviction and sentencing. There's something seriously wrong when merely defending the "wrong" person is enough to cast doubt on someone's professional qualifications.<br /> <br /> And I'm also disappointed by the mindless police worship here. A "cop killer" is no worse than any other murderer, and we need to stop acting like anyone defending someone accused of that particular kind of murder is guilty of treason.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I will concede you the last point, but only that. The others have already been well covered. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ while I'm tired of the "race card" card, I think Reid's statements were a bit much.<br /> <br /> I'm worried about the chilling effect this has on lawyers, as an otherwise qualified candidate is blocked because of representing an unpopular figure.  I"m not the only one, as the president of the ABA himself was bothered by that.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/uncategorized/GAO/2014jan13_adegbile_noms_l.authcheckdam.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/uncategorized/GAO/2014jan13_adegbile_noms_l.authcheckdam.pdf</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Regardless if one "obviously" did the deed, one should go free if the state cannot prove it or very badly bungles their case.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/185fc6f346a2d6ae3982f37bc023901f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604680.page"><b>Manchu wrote:</b></a><br/>Regardless if one "obviously" did the deed, one should go free if the state cannot prove it or very badly bungles their case.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yes, I agree wholly. I have said on these very fora that I would have acquitted both OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony even though in both cases I am pretty sure they're murderers. <br /> <br />  However, in <i>this</i> case I think the evidence is kind of overwhelming, far beyond any reasonable doubt. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Polonius wrote:</cite>I'm worried about the chilling effect this has on lawyers, as an otherwise qualified candidate is blocked because of representing an unpopular figure.  I"m not the only one, as the president of the ABA himself was bothered by that.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> While I certainly agree, I can't imagine this is a new problem.  I have no doubt the person was qualified, but I also know they were political poison as well.  <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Manchu wrote:</cite>Regardless if one "obviously" did the deed, one should go free if the state cannot prove it or very badly bungles their case.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Sure, but the case has been reviewed multiple times, including the Supreme Court, over the last 5 years, and the verdict has stood up every single time.  The sentencing has changed, as it went from a Death Sentence to Life In Prison.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6e2a7a65b40f1b794057fa352dcb053f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604584.page"><b>Peregrine wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm disappointed to see so many people who don't understand that the justice system only functions when <i>everyone</i>, no matter how much you might hate them or think that they deserve their punishment, is entitled to the best defense possible. And yes, in a country where racism still exists and biases juries, that includes questioning whether racism had an impact on the conviction and sentencing. There's something seriously wrong when merely defending the "wrong" person is enough to cast doubt on someone's professional qualifications.<br /> <br /> And I'm also disappointed by the mindless police worship here. A "cop killer" is no worse than any other murderer, and we need to stop acting like anyone defending someone accused of that particular kind of murder is guilty of treason.</div></blockquote><br /> "mindless police worship"?<br /> <br /> I think kanwulen would object to that. <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604689.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/185fc6f346a2d6ae3982f37bc023901f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604680.page"><b>Manchu wrote:</b></a><br/>Regardless if one "obviously" did the deed, one should go free if the state cannot prove it or very badly bungles their case.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yes, I agree wholly. I have said on these very fora that I would have acquitted both OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony even though in both cases I am pretty sure they're murderers. <br /> <br />  However, in <i>this</i> case I think the evidence is kind of overwhelming, far beyond any reasonable doubt. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So?  <br /> <br /> What does that have to do with right to counsel?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't think anyone's argued that he shouldn't have effective counsel in principle, or that he didn't have effective counsel in actuality.  Lead me a little because it feels like now we're having a new and different argument. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/831e6d69e89adda4de61a3b4c7ead806.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604653.page"><b>Jihadin wrote:</b></a><br/>Stigma of helping a "Cop Killer" of avoiding "justice".</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And that's exactly the problem: the justice system doesn't function if you can declare that certain people/crimes are just so awful that they don't deserve the best possible defense, and any defense of the "obviously guilty monster" is "avoiding justice".<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2fd2e8dde23fc42aec5699530e5e2c74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604660.page"><b>Ahtman wrote:</b></a><br/>For instance, he was never denied a defense, and no one has claimed wasn't allowed one.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I said the <i>best possible</i> defense, which includes continuing to appeal for 25+ years, questioning jury racism, etc. But what we have here is a situation where anyone helping with that defense is effectively blacklisted professionally for it. I think it should be obvious why it's a bad thing if no lawyer with career ambitions is ever going to be willing to contribute to a controversial case.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>The instance in question wasn't a lawyer defending the person as their counsel in court, but as a third party years later.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And that is part of the system. The system is <i>utterly broken</i> if third parties are afraid to speak up because the case is "too controversial".<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2fd2e8dde23fc42aec5699530e5e2c74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604668.page"><b>Ahtman wrote:</b></a><br/>And the argument wasn't even very good.  It wasn't that he should go free because he wasn't guilty, but that it was ok to shoot the cop back then because race relations were more problematic.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Citation for that? Because the article says that the argument was that the <i>trial</i> was biased, not some kind of bizarre claim that it's ok to kill people if racism. And yes, "the jury was racist" is a legitimate argument that should be evaluated on its own merits, not thrown out because of mindless police worship. If the trial was in fact legitimate and there's no question of racism influencing the result then it should be easy enough to deal with that argument without resorting to blacklisting anyone who dares to make it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/05660003dd83ed7c53ae82ba11bd5dd1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604700.page"><b>whembly wrote:</b></a><br/>"mindless police worship"?<br /> <br /> I think kanwulen would object to that. <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Read the quotes in the article. None of them are dealing with the merits of the legal argument, it's all "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND A COP KILLER".]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604499.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/>I have never understood the Mumia abu-Jamal fan club.  You want to argue that he's redeemed himself in prison sufficient to wiggle out of the death penalty, I could buy that argument (I would not agree but the courts did, so whatever), sure. You want to say it's immoral to even have the death penalty, <b>ever</b>, as my mom does, I could see that argument as well (I would not agree). <br /> <br /> But, <i>free him</i>? Seriously, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(334);'>wtf</span>?  The evidence is pretty overwhelming. He did it. He definitely did it. I don't care about his politics, he murdered a cop.  They found his gun, registered to him. The rounds match the gun. He was wearing a fething shoulder holster. The bullets in him came from the cop. Sure, there were eyewitness inconsistencies, but that's human nature, there always will be. His best explanation is a SODDI defense? Don't make me laugh, man. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Agreed, Ouze...<br /> <br /> And what an insane nomination for a leading role in the justice department. Don't you want prosecutors, not high profile defense lawyers, for that kind of position? And how could they not think this would come up? That's not the kind of baggage you bring to a political discourse if you want to stick around very long <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well, he's being nominated for the head of the Civil Rights division, which is not exactly the forte of most prosecutors.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It ought to be a little concerning to people that simply defending a person in court, no matter what they did, is sufficient to bar a lawyer from public office years later.<br /> <br /> That said, the claims of racism in rejecting this appointment are pretty silly.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604076.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Chevera Tshirts.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Chevara?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Polunis he got denied the position.<br /> <br /> Sebster <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>LOL</span> silly Aussie you know what he meant]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604762.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604076.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Chevera Tshirts.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Chevara?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Only a lefty mouth breather, as Frazzled would put it, wouldn't know what he meant. Cut your hair, cut off the hemp bracelet, drop the hacky sack, and get a job!   <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wait..is that get a "Job" at living wages or receive benefits of other people tax on a living wage?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/831e6d69e89adda4de61a3b4c7ead806.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604770.page"><b>Jihadin wrote:</b></a><br/>Polunis he got denied the position.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, probably.  Technically the senate did not even consider his nomination.  He's the nominee until the White House withdraws his name.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604724.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/>I don't think anyone's argued that he shouldn't have effective counsel in principle, or that he didn't have effective counsel in actuality.  Lead me a little because it feels like now we're having a new and different argument. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Never mind, I misread what you wrote.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/831e6d69e89adda4de61a3b4c7ead806.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604770.page"><b>Jihadin wrote:</b></a><br/>Sebster <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>LOL</span> silly Aussie you know what he meant</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604771.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/>Only a lefty mouth breather, as Frazzled would put it, wouldn't know what he meant. Cut your hair, cut off the hemp bracelet, drop the hacky sack, and get a job!   <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I know what he meant, I was asking if this was a brand new way of saying people's names.  Much more efficient than saying a whole first name and then a whole second name.  Much quicker just to say Chevara, Bobama...  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604786.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>I know what he meant, I was asking if this was a brand new way of saying people's names.  Much more efficient than saying a whole first name and then a whole second name.  Much quicker just to say Chevara, Bobama...  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Nevertheless, I must admit I have no idea what obscure British directors have to do with his argument, no matter how good they look on a shirt.<br /> <br /> <img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-svpJjW1Qv9A/UxfaOvJXkdI/AAAAAAAAC2s/9C-3Xp6O2GQ/s800/800px-Chevara.jpg" border="0" /><br /> <i>fastest photoshop ever</i><br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6e2a7a65b40f1b794057fa352dcb053f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604742.page"><b>Peregrine wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/831e6d69e89adda4de61a3b4c7ead806.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604653.page"><b>Jihadin wrote:</b></a><br/>Stigma of helping a "Cop Killer" of avoiding "justice".</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And that's exactly the problem: the justice system doesn't function if you can declare that certain people/crimes are just so awful that they don't deserve the best possible defense, and any defense of the "obviously guilty monster" is "avoiding justice".<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2fd2e8dde23fc42aec5699530e5e2c74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604660.page"><b>Ahtman wrote:</b></a><br/>For instance, he was never denied a defense, and no one has claimed wasn't allowed one.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I said the <i>best possible</i> defense, which includes continuing to appeal for 25+ years, questioning jury racism, etc. But what we have here is a situation where anyone helping with that defense is effectively blacklisted professionally for it. I think it should be obvious why it's a bad thing if no lawyer with career ambitions is ever going to be willing to contribute to a controversial case.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>The instance in question wasn't a lawyer defending the person as their counsel in court, but as a third party years later.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And that is part of the system. The system is <i>utterly broken</i> if third parties are afraid to speak up because the case is "too controversial".<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2fd2e8dde23fc42aec5699530e5e2c74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604668.page"><b>Ahtman wrote:</b></a><br/>And the argument wasn't even very good.  It wasn't that he should go free because he wasn't guilty, but that it was ok to shoot the cop back then because race relations were more problematic.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Citation for that? Because the article says that the argument was that the <i>trial</i> was biased, not some kind of bizarre claim that it's ok to kill people if racism. And yes, "the jury was racist" is a legitimate argument that should be evaluated on its own merits, not thrown out because of mindless police worship. If the trial was in fact legitimate and there's no question of racism influencing the result then it should be easy enough to deal with that argument without resorting to blacklisting anyone who dares to make it.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And at no point to do I argue he should have been denied any of those things; he should have a defense and should be allowed as much review as the law allows.  My argument has never been to deny anyone right to counsel or review, but that it was silly to nominate a person you know to be political poison.  You can argue they shouldn't be considered political poison, but we don't live in a world of "should".  It also isn't limited to just criminal defense or lawyers, there are a myriad of things that can keep a person from get a nomination that probably shouldn't.  It is also easier to tell people what they should be doing when you aren't in their position.  A lot easier.  As the old saying goes "all politicians are corrupt and stupid until you run for office".<br /> <br /> It also wouldn't surprise me that they were nominated knowing they couldn't get passed confirmation just to bring up the subject.  That is how politics works. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Is anybody surprised by a political mistake from the White House though?  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2fd2e8dde23fc42aec5699530e5e2c74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604803.page"><b>Ahtman wrote:</b></a><br/>And at no point to do I argue he should have been denied any of those things; he should have a defense and should be allowed as much review as the law allows.  My argument has never been to deny anyone right to counsel or review, but that it was silly to nominate a person you know to be political poison. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> But the problem is that when you make defending the "wrong" person political poison you <i>do</i> effectively deny that defense, because nobody with career ambitions is going to be willing to be associated with it. You can fall back on the "that's just politics" argument, but my point was that the system is utterly broken if that's the case. And we shouldn't refrain from criticizing it just because it's "just politics".]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604771.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604762.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604076.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Chevera Tshirts.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Chevara?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Only a lefty mouth breather, as Frazzled would put it, wouldn't know what he meant. Cut your hair, cut off the hemp bracelet, drop the hacky sack, and get a job!   <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> My God, I hate the Che Guvara Worship. The Guy ended up founding a horribly despot country. Was more about fighting revolutions then actually having one end. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/693f7ed87b03c03c7b926355452a903b.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604861.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604771.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604762.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604076.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Chevera Tshirts.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Chevara?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Only a lefty mouth breather, as Frazzled would put it, wouldn't know what he meant. Cut your hair, cut off the hemp bracelet, drop the hacky sack, and get a job!   <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> My God, I hate the Che Guvara Worship. The Guy ended up founding a horribly despot country. Was more about fighting revolutions then actually having one end. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> No one is talking about Che Guevara. We're talking about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Chevara" target="_new" rel="nofollow">someone else</a>. <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6e2a7a65b40f1b794057fa352dcb053f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604853.page"><b>Peregrine wrote:</b></a><br/>But the problem is that when you make defending the "wrong" person political poison you <i>do</i> effectively deny that defense, because nobody with career ambitions is going to be willing to be associated with it. You can fall back on the "that's just politics" argument, but my point was that the system is utterly broken if that's the case. And we shouldn't refrain from criticizing it just because it's "just politics".</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is a fair point, regarding the chilling effects. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6e2a7a65b40f1b794057fa352dcb053f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604853.page"><b>Peregrine wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2fd2e8dde23fc42aec5699530e5e2c74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604803.page"><b>Ahtman wrote:</b></a><br/>And at no point to do I argue he should have been denied any of those things; he should have a defense and should be allowed as much review as the law allows.  My argument has never been to deny anyone right to counsel or review, but that it was silly to nominate a person you know to be political poison. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> But the problem is that when you make defending the "wrong" person political poison you <i>do</i> effectively deny that defense, because nobody with career ambitions is going to be willing to be associated with it. You can fall back on the "that's just politics" argument, but my point was that the system is utterly broken if that's the case. And we shouldn't refrain from criticizing it just because it's "just politics".</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't disagree, but it doesn't change the reality of the situation one iota.  It is a frustrating situation, to be sure, but you seem more interested in lashing out at those who recognize the situation then dealing with the situation itself.  I think you are conflating recognizing the situation for excusing the situation.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604762.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>It ought to be a little concerning to people that simply defending a person in court, no matter what they did, is sufficient to bar a lawyer from public office years later.<br /> <br /> That said, the claims of racism in rejecting this appointment are pretty silly.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604076.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Chevera Tshirts.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Chevara?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You know the lefty killer worshiped by hothouse flowers everywhere.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604908.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>You know the lefty killer worshiped by hothouse flowers everywhere.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, his productions won some awards, but killer? I dunno, I have no ear for opera. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604908.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>You know the lefty killer worshiped by hothouse flowers everywhere.</div></blockquote><br /> Not all hothouse flowers are bad <br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pluJvsVuPSk?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <br /> <br /> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604800.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604786.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>I know what he meant, I was asking if this was a brand new way of saying people's names.  Much more efficient than saying a whole first name and then a whole second name.  Much quicker just to say Chevara, Bobama...  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Nevertheless, I must admit I have no idea what obscure British directors have to do with his argument, no matter how good they look on a shirt.<br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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</div><br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> A reference to a minor artist I've never heard of, complete with a pretty cool photoshop.  That is an impressive commitment to the joke.  My hat is off to you, sir.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/693f7ed87b03c03c7b926355452a903b.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604861.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/>My God, I hate the Che Guvara Worship. The Guy ended up founding a horribly despot country. Was more about fighting revolutions then actually having one end. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, Cuba was just a means to an end, which is understandable given he isn't Cuban and had always preached about a greater South American revolution.<br /> <br /> But helping to create a despotic regime, along with all those murders he directly committed or oversaw... that has no defence.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Per NPR, police organizations are vowing that this is just the first step. The next step will be making all the Democrats who voted yes pay. <br /> <br /> Good deal. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d6b816b5cc881a3fa4f8765968a505c7.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604752.page"><b>RiTides wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6604499.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/>I have never understood the Mumia abu-Jamal fan club.  You want to argue that he's redeemed himself in prison sufficient to wiggle out of the death penalty, I could buy that argument (I would not agree but the courts did, so whatever), sure. You want to say it's immoral to even have the death penalty, <b>ever</b>, as my mom does, I could see that argument as well (I would not agree). <br /> <br /> But, <i>free him</i>? Seriously, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(334);'>wtf</span>?  The evidence is pretty overwhelming. He did it. He definitely did it. I don't care about his politics, he murdered a cop.  They found his gun, registered to him. The rounds match the gun. He was wearing a fething shoulder holster. The bullets in him came from the cop. Sure, there were eyewitness inconsistencies, but that's human nature, there always will be. His best explanation is a SODDI defense? Don't make me laugh, man. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Agreed, Ouze...<br /> <br /> And what an insane nomination for a leading role in the justice department. Don't you want prosecutors, not high profile defense lawyers, for that kind of position? And how could they not think this would come up? That's not the kind of baggage you bring to a political discourse if you want to stick around very long <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Exactly. I have no problem with defending this scum (although they moved into pure advocacy and fundraising based on it), but that kind of makes you the opposite of what you need as a prosecutor <u><i><b>who has to enforce the law and work with police.</b></i></u>  Its not like their's a shortage of good candidates nationwide.  This nomination was Class A stupidity and the Democarts should pay for taking part in it. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> No one is talking about Che Guevara. We're talking about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Chevara" target="_new" rel="nofollow">someone else</a>. <br /> <br /> <br /> I was actually. I just spelled the name poorly.   My bad. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6605750.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>I was actually. I just spelled the name poorly.   My bad. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, we know.  Just making a silly joke out of it <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6608870.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/583225/6605750.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>I was actually. I just spelled the name poorly.   My bad. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, we know.  Just making a silly joke out of it <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I wuntz ta skool an got edumacted more gooder!]]></description>
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