<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
I was just playing a game with my thousand sons against some space wolves and it was one of the best matches I've played. It was not only close, but it was great to think of what was happening between all the soldiers, how it would pan out in book or something.

IMO the TS and SW grudge is the best in 40k, but I am bias being an avid TS fan.

I was wondering what people thought the best fights and rivalries are between the different factions in 40k.

That's the gist of it

Thanks, the tallest giraffe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6620852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6620852.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? iw have some beef there.

And sisters vs anything, really :p]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6620861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6620861.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621111.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? HH is full of them and there are some in 40k too like Ventris and Learchus? cant remember his name been a while since i read an ultramarines book.

i like the politics behind it because they cant just straight up kill each other like TS and SW its all about back stabbing. snide comments and (accidental fire) i like that because it really builds the characters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621143.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? DA vs SW feud is pretty neat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621233.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621369.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621385.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621421.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
 MrBlackledge wrote:
I like internal rivalries, between 2 characters HH is full of them and there are some in 40k too like Ventris and Learchus? cant remember his name been a while since i read an ultramarines book.

i like the politics behind it because they cant just straight up kill each other like TS and SW its all about back stabbing. snide comments and (accidental fire) i like that because it really builds the characters.


Yeah, I get what you mean. Although big, all out wars are great, it is always great to see nice, bitter grudge match where neither opponent wants can directly mess with or kill those they hate. The best stories are always ones about individuals who have to use subtlety and finesse in order to weave a plan to screw over their "allies". That's why I think that chaos is so great, as everyone is working out how they can stitch up the guy next to them in order to get ahead in their own great game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621438.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621439.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
 MrBlackledge wrote:
i guess but its not very comprehensive, like they dont meet enough


Their relationship in 40k is shown pretty well in the BL book Sons of Fenris. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621570.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
 thetallestgiraffe wrote:
 MrBlackledge wrote:
I like internal rivalries, between 2 characters HH is full of them and there are some in 40k too like Ventris and Learchus? cant remember his name been a while since i read an ultramarines book.

i like the politics behind it because they cant just straight up kill each other like TS and SW its all about back stabbing. snide comments and (accidental fire) i like that because it really builds the characters.


Yeah, I get what you mean. Although big, all out wars are great, it is always great to see nice, bitter grudge match where neither opponent wants can directly mess with or kill those they hate. The best stories are always ones about individuals who have to use subtlety and finesse in order to weave a plan to screw over their "allies". That's why I think that chaos is so great, as everyone is working out how they can stitch up the guy next to them in order to get ahead in their own great game.


i cant exalt this enough!

i am not a chaos fan at all but i love how the iron warriors cant go 10 minutes without blowing each other to pieces]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621604.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621604.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
 dantower wrote:
I have always liked Yarrik and Gazzy's feud.
That's one sided though.
Ghazghkull LOVES Yarrik. A human that puts up a decent fight is an Orks best friend. After all "Best friend" and "Worst Enemy" are the same word in Ork language.

Personally I like Imotekh's hatred of all Orks.
A tactical genius with a million years of experiance, and he's constantly confouned by Orks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621632.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? SM and IG/SoB fans.

Never has there been such hatred.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621650.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6621767.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? Ferrus and Fulgrim were like brothers and the legion shared the bond. When they were betrayed and Fulgrim killed his brother the bond they had was broken.
The iron warriors and imperial fist only hate each cause there skill set was the same and the imperial fist were stupid.
Space wolves and thousand suns are rival because they felt betrayed when they sent the wolves to kill off all the psykers.
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 Mr.Omega wrote:
 MrBlackledge wrote:
i guess but its not very comprehensive, like they dont meet enough


Their relationship in 40k is shown pretty well in the BL book Sons of Fenris.


excellent book,

but what im getting at is the fact that neither side really clashes that often. its sometimes nice to see them come within and each of blasting each other to bits. some snide comments here and there is all great but the Wolf and the Lion coming to blows is just the pinacle of brotherly rivalry.

its weird because when you think about it Russ came to blows with Magnus, the lion, angron, and the 2 lost primarchs (supposedly) how is his legion not horrifically demoralised by fighting there brothers when they have no personal grudge with them?

Thousand Sons put a massive dent in the wolves as did the fighting with the World Eaters. i know numbers of legions and numbers of dead are always vague and guestimates but still. thousands must have been killed in those fights, and the eradication of 2 legions before that? im suprised the wolves were still capable of any real crusading after all of this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6622092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6622092.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? Probably the Crimson Slaughter and the Dark Angels...

It's hard to pin down my favourite. I do like the rivalries between the four Chaos Gods, so I'd have to pick that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6622105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6622105.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
 Medium of Death wrote:
Probably the Crimson Slaughter and the Dark Angels...
Hahahahaha!

In all seriousness, I'll have to second or fourth or whatever we're up to IF v. IW. The Iron Cage was some epic, epic trollery -- probably the only fun Perturabo ever had in his whole life. Even the fact that Dorn is a super easy target doesn't spoil it. Oh and Guilliman having to save Dorn's butt is just the icing on the cake.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6622165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6622165.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
A close second would be farsight and orks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623654.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623654.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
Or did you mean on an epic type of scale really?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623667.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? We're forgetting Gaszghkull and Helbrecht! Helbrecht swore a Crusade to go after Gazghkull, how cool is that?

But yeah, IW and IF are my two, or BA and BL.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623715.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
 Rismonite wrote:
Who is Brutally Cunning and who is Cunningly Brutal... Gork or Mork.. The timeless question that drives Orkz mad on a daily basis. Ork on Ork violence over the issue is a daily matter.

Or did you mean on an epic type of scale really?


That is pretty epic, it's probably led to more fights than which Primarch was the best at legos. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623722.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? SW and DA and Gazzgull vs Yarrik]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6623736.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6624831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6624831.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6624866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6624866.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
 Kroothawk wrote:
Tyranids vs. game designers


EXALT!!

how about the rivalry between the people who write 40k and the people who play 40k... ever thought about that one? no matter how excellent and spot on the fluff may be... it will never be good enough ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6624966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6624966.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? personal; manus vs fulgrim, do love a duel to the death. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6624988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6624988.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? Flesh VS Technology with each pushed to the extremes to evolve fastest but in different technological spheres.

Sort of reminded me of the Borg VS Species 8472.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6625131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6625131.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
Also how about that rivalry between casual 40k players and hyper competitive ones? Fluff vs Cheese why can't we just have both? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6625916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6625916.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? DA vs SW is a personal favourite, simply because I own both armies, and whenever they ally there is always a pre-game duel between the two leaders. Of course, this is very one-sided, as the Wolves get a tooled-up Wolf Lord and the DA get a 65 point basic libby

Also, Helbrecht Vs Imhotek. Imhotek lops off Helbrecht's arm, Helbrecht comes back with a crusade.

Also, Harker vs Marbo vs Straken over who's more badass. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6625968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6625968.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? DA vs. SW, as said, is very cool.
IW vs. IF, too.

My favourite, though, is Kor Phaeron and Erebus. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6625975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6625975.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? DE are, as usual, incredibly flat so there's no dynamic angle besides the usual DE motivation of "FOR THE LULZ!".

Although it was awesome to see Elysius the one-armed Chaplain beat the snot out of a Wych champion and cave in her skull.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6626514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6626514.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
In modern terms, Yarrick and Ghazghkull and the whole damn Armageddon Wars in general. The Ork might love to battle but he is also driven by the need to beat his opponent. I also love that Armageddon is now a kind of holy place/Valhalla for Orks.

'Historically' its got to be the SW and TS, namely the Fall of Prospero it basically a Shakespearean tragedy in power armour.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6626717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6626717.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6626729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6626729.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6627250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6627250.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
teban wrote:
Imp fists and iw have some beef there.


I think this is my favorite too. Perturabo and Dorn really didn't get along.
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 Siberiandreamer wrote:
The Thousand Sons and Space Wolves also helps me as a player justify my hatred of Space Wolves while making a fantastic background story.


Agreed...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6635827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6635827.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
The horror of the Eldar at creating their own terrible nemesis

And Slaanesh just loves itself some tasty, tasty soulstones ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6636297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6636297.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
What about Garrick vs gaz. Massive wars, torture, crusade, death of millions/billions. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6654232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6654232.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? GW and it's fans. Not so much a grudge match as much as it's complicated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6655320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6655320.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
Tau and Necrons is pretty good too, but they don't really have any serious grudge. In a lot of ways the tau show the alternate way the necrontyr could have gone]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6655418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6655418.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
The relationship between SM and IG/SoB fans.

Never has there been such hatred.


Yep.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6655625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6655625.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? He keeps trying but they keep surviving the hate!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6657344.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6657344.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
canadianguy wrote:
Matt Ward vs Sisters of Battle
He keeps trying but they keep surviving the hate!

Been on 1d4chan, I take it?

Ward only wrote one story, the Bloodtide, which didn't exactly treat them well. Apart from that, he wrote the fluff in the 5E SoB codex (and maybe some in the 6E one too), and all of that treats them really well and has them being quite competent and badass.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6657401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6657401.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6657431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6657431.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?


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wait amend that....I mean that everything has a grudge but orks are their rivals. and that imperial guard fears the tyranids until they get shot to raise morale then turns into a grudge/survival thing
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Not only does their rivalry involve the fate of worlds (like a lot of the really good 40K rivalries), but it is also intensely personal. I loved the Yarrick novella, and I really, really like the fact that Thraka has enough self-awareness to recognize that an epic leader needs an epic nemesis. Ork Warlords are all pretty loud and scary, but one who thinks? Brrrr.

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Also, don't the Space Wolves have too many HH rivalries? Is it me or did they just rub everybody wrong?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6659392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6659392.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k?
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 Red Marine wrote:
Blood Angels versus The Black Legion. I love the rules for BAs hatred of Abbadon.

Also, don't the Space Wolves have too many HH rivalries? Is it me or did they just rub everybody wrong?


As BA groupie I love anything and everything about them so I agree

And yeah, the space wolves are dicks to most things that have sentience, but they didn't screw anyone over as much as they did the thousand sons. Arses...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6664098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6664098.page GMT What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? DA/SW and the Farsight/Shadowsun rivalries myself. I find them very character driven and interesting in that way.

Actual emenity I'd say I love the Wolves versus Thousand Sons. The hate is real and strong, and despite a lot of differences, there is a core similarity in the factions (extremely mutated Astartes Legions who both tried to do what the Emperor wanted without always doing exactly what he said and wound up severely depleted because of it) that turns the whole thing into a tragic brother versus brother thing. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6664218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6664218.page GMT Re:What do you think is the best grudge/rivalry in 40k? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6664324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584180/6664324.page GMT