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ABG
HQ
Command Tank, Vanquisher, Lascannon, Camo Netting, Beast Hunter Shells - 160+5+15+20+15 = 215

ELITE
Commissar tank, Exterminator , Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Artificer Hull - 160+0+20+20 = 200

TROOPS
LRBT, Hull Bolter - 150

HS
Avenger Fighter, Hellfury Missile, Paint Scheme - 150+20+10 = 180

IG
HQ
CCS, Naked Chimera, Autocannon HWT, Commander has Bolter, 3x Melta - 50+55+10+2+30 = 147

TROOPS
Veterans, In Valkyrie, Heavy Bolter HWT, 3x Plasma gun, Bolt pistol, Demolitions - 70+0+10+45+2+30 = 157
Veterans, Naked Chimera, Autocannon HWT, 3x Melta gun, Bolt pistol - 70+55+10+30+2 = 167
Veterans, Naked Chimera, Autocannon HWT, 3x Plasma gun, Bolt pistol - 70+55+10+45+2 = 182
Veterans, Lascannon HWT, 3x Sniper/flamer, Sentries, Harker, Bolt pistol - 70+20+10+30+55 = 187

F.ATTACK
Valkyrie, Bolters, Rocket Pods - 100+10+30 = 140
Hellhound, Hull Flamer - 130

HS
Vanqisher, Camo, Pask, Lascannon - 155+20+50+15 = 240
Executioner, Plasma Sponsons, Hull Bolter - 190+40 = 230
Basilisk, Camo 125+20 = 145

ABG - 745
IG - 1725
TOTAL - 2470
REMAINS - 30


Toughs?
Any ideas what to do with those 30 points? Grenadiers for plasma vets?

Tactics:
Exterminator Commissar tank support vets on objectives, Vanqs, LRBT and Bassilisk covers and slow advance of the enemy.
Sentries are put into the middle of board in cover to harras enemy infantry/vehicles.
Avenger and Valkyrie with Demos are for harrasing behind the lines.
CHimeras are mobile cover for Vets sitting on objectives


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Your veterans are mobile in chimeras yet you have heavy weapons, they'll only snapfire, take them out and save points. Same for command squad.

If you can convert basilisk into a weapon platform. 75pts for it with another 30 for camo.
Try and cut a few upgrades on ABG.
When I run them as allies I use
Vanquisher with beast hunter shells and CO axial stubber-190. For both hq and elite.
Troops is just two leman Russ tanks.


Overall pretty good list. Specially using all vets
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Can Vanquisher fire standart explosive round and vanquisher round or only vanquisher rounds? I'm not sure at the moment.

Point of vet HWTs are is the tactic. Chimeras bring them on objectives, where they disembark and hold the line. Some heavier anti infantry attack would come handy I belive. Chimeras stay near a provide fire support. Same as russes behind.

Idea of Bassilisk platform is good. i forgot the FOC is doubled in 2000+

I'll drop artificer armor and maybe paint scheme on Avenger? Is it worth for one leadership reroll for game?
I'll add the coax. stubber. When I arrive home, I'll post the list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584279/6626015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584279/6626015.page GMT I wouldn't use heavy weapons with vet since their going to be moving every turn. The nice thing about the Armored battle group is after 1500 points it real begins to shine and show its power. And agree I think ABG is better as allies because the normal vet are cheaper than the vets of the abg and with them as allies you have a almost unlimited amount of tanks while still having a ton of scoring units in the vets.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584279/6626810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/584279/6626810.page GMT But you can choose which to use in shoot phase.

I agree with zengu that ABG gets better when the points get higher. And while certain upgrades are cool I'd leave them if I can and take another tank.
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