<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
So I used to play plenty of 5th edition 40K. I had a good understanding and generally enjoyed it as a weekend game; nothing particularly competitive. 6th edition rolls along, I played a few games of Dark Vengeance, and I completely lost interest in the game. To me, it seems to be a massive convoluted mess, which reflects the fact that so many different people write rules for it; nobody knows what they want to do; some want skirmishes, some want massive battle with machines... Ultimately, I couldn't be bothered with the complete lack of aim.

So my question is this; is there any good reason for me to reenter 40k? Has it improved?

Thanks,
Blap]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673547.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673567.page GMT Re:Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
You'll have one group that will tell you it's never been better; there are a lot of options through Escalation and Stronghold, as well as a slew of dataslates and formations. They'll also say how its cool to have things like overwatch and challenges as a part of a more 'cinematic' feel, and that the game works fine if you all specifically build non-powerful list and play for fun (beer and pretzels).

Then you'll have another group that will tell you its never been worse. The slew of options add a layer of convolution to an already convoluted mess, where the FoC is more or less a suggestion. Balance issues are still fairly rampant, both internally and externally, and the prices are fairly rough if you want to run the whole gamut of options available to you. The rules are also geared towards smaller levels of games, but additions like Escalation, allies, and Double force org are all running the game in the opposite direction.

Personally, I'm not a fan. That being said, the game can work fine if you play kill team games.

My personal recommendation is to take a look at other wargames on the market first and keep 40k as a backup to get in games if your local community is still 40k centric.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673583.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
If it doesn't, don't.

Since all of the stuff is subjective, and very much relative to who you play with and your local group, I don't see how much I can tell you. I don't see the point in this kind of thread unless you're really dependent on some kind of social pressure to do your thinking for you. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673586.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
Outside of the game expansion stuff, the core rulebook says the rules are a framework to support games you want to play. Houserules and homebrew is a valid means of play.

The only thing 6th doesn't do well (without a lot of houserules) is competitive, crunchy tournament style play.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673587.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
If you ignore the extra expansions it isn't bad. They neutered hand to hand combat quite a bit and made it a majority shooting game. The expansions and flyers can really unbalance the game which is why both of my groups limit or disallow them, which sucks in general since we don't like doing that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673599.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? If you’re not at a turny (which I don’t play) and just with some mates to have a good time it’s great. Every week I look forward to game day. Just mix it up once in a while, last week we all brought a 500pt list for a change and it was alot of fun. As others have said its subjective, but if your goal is to have fun and enjoy the game whether you win, lose or get stomped you will have a good time.
Thank You,
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hobojebus wrote:
7th is due soon i'd maybe hold off and see what thats like.


not really... but ok...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673639.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
hobojebus wrote:
7th is due soon i'd maybe hold off and see what thats like.

Nooooooooooo... They released 6th what, last year? 2 max? They haven't milked it enough yet...,]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673692.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673724.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
Rumours of 7th hitting as early as this year have been around for a while now from sources proven reliable in the past.

6th was meant to last us a while but then last year's financial reports hit and GW have gone into overdrive producing things desperate to make money and keep share holders happy.

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hobojebus wrote:
6th isnt that popular and they've added alot of rules in over priced hard backed books to cover things like fortifications and data slates to cover formations and the like, the main rule book no longer contains the main rules.

It's more popular with some groups than others.

hobojebus wrote:
Rumours of 7th hitting as early as this year have been around for a while now from sources proven reliable in the past.

I haven't seen said rumors honestly. Last I read was Fantasy was planned for this year or next year.

hobojebus wrote:
6th was meant to last us a while but then last year's financial reports hit and GW have gone into overdrive producing things desperate to make money and keep share holders happy.

Even if they wanted to push out a new edition, I doubt they could put a new rulebook out in 6 months that really overhauled things. Especially in the balls-to-the-wall pace they're doing everything else right now (and I've got a decent source that says Phil looks pretty haggard right now, so I'm positive that they're pretty darn busy, likely too busy to add in more right now).

That's my speculation though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673804.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
The game isn't completely horrible, it has obvious weak spots so it's all up to how you want to spend your time and money.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6673806.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6674092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6674092.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
Hollismason wrote:
Honestly, I don't get the whole "things were better in 2nd edition". They weren't it was horribly balanced. Like Horribly.

I think the mentality of those playing was less serious (for the most part) since there wasn't a real tournament scene and the game let you run a lot more different combinations of armies (especially if you played Marines or Guard, you had a massive list of allies options).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6674100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6674100.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
Hollismason wrote:
Honestly, I don't get the whole "things were better in 2nd edition". They weren't it was horribly balanced. Like Horribly.


Like how? Balance is the most over-used and misunderstood term in gaming, right up there with meta. If, as so many here like to say, everyone has a better system, how are your newly-minted, perfectly balanced, amd thoroughly play-tested games working out?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6678161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6678161.page GMT Re:Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? RT. It's not perfect, but like others said there are alot of options to play how you want.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6678193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6678193.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? HQ only battle" and so on.

Its not suited if you wanna play intense strategy and fight to teeth against an opponent.

Like any game system you will find problems. Its up to you to decide if the problems are worth your time and money. But there is no harm in playing another game wither. It may broaden your tastes and so on.

If you do join you will enjoy it more if you dont buy too many models and too many armies. Keep it simple, keep the game simple and use plenty of terrain. You may find you will enjoy it more.

But dont spend money on it until you think its worth your time. Otherwise you may turn into one of those people who hang around complaining. Do try it a bit without spending money first if you can.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6678204.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6678204.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
 Swastakowey wrote:
Only play 6th edition if you dont wanna take it seriously. Its a game where you decide one day "lets have a titan brawl" or "lets do an HQ only battle" and so on.

Its not suited if you wanna play intense strategy and fight to teeth against an opponent.

Like any game system you will find problems. Its up to you to decide if the problems are worth your time and money. But there is no harm in playing another game wither. It may broaden your tastes and so on.

If you do join you will enjoy it more if you dont buy too many models and too many armies. Keep it simple, keep the game simple and use plenty of terrain. You may find you will enjoy it more.

But dont spend money on it until you think its worth your time. Otherwise you may turn into one of those people who hang around complaining. Do try it a bit without spending money first if you can.



and yet you play what?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680660.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
viewfinder wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:
Only play 6th edition if you dont wanna take it seriously. Its a game where you decide one day "lets have a titan brawl" or "lets do an HQ only battle" and so on.

Its not suited if you wanna play intense strategy and fight to teeth against an opponent.

Like any game system you will find problems. Its up to you to decide if the problems are worth your time and money. But there is no harm in playing another game wither. It may broaden your tastes and so on.

If you do join you will enjoy it more if you dont buy too many models and too many armies. Keep it simple, keep the game simple and use plenty of terrain. You may find you will enjoy it more.

But dont spend money on it until you think its worth your time. Otherwise you may turn into one of those people who hang around complaining. Do try it a bit without spending money first if you can.



and yet you play what?


What? You have another opinion? He asked me to sell him on it and I gave him my advice if he wanted to try it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680662.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? BA army that's set for Take on All Comers, and you opponent pulls out his three knight allies, you're not going to have fun. Work it out first what you're playing before you play and you'll have fun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680675.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680675.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
viewfinder wrote:
do you want to play Warhammer with the models/armies you already own? then 6th edition is for you.


This happens for every new edition actually.

7th will come along soon enough and kick it all over the place again for a few months.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680699.page GMT Re:Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? bs.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680711.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? 40K since 6th dropped. It's a giant convoluted mess, but that normally wouldn't be so bad: I'm a veteran gamer and no stranger to house rules. The real kicker is the downright insane prices attached to the giant convoluted mess. I absolutely, 100%, can not afford to buy the armies I'm interested in , despite having access to a wholesale discount. When even half price is too expensive there's a problem.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680720.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680720.page GMT Re:Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? 40K in 5th. While I've always been way more into the hobby side than the game side, I haven't and likely won't ever play a game of 6th. They just broke too much of what I liked about it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680757.page GMT Re:Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
 BlaxicanX wrote:
6th edition works decently well at low-points games (like 1000 points, my sweetspot). It's only at the larger point games that you get all the whacky bs.



I played enough games against eldar and tau at 1-1250 points to know that this isn't true.


6th is a good edition for someone who had a big tau or eldar army bought in 5th when people were getting rid of them . A WK here 2-3 riptides there and presto two very powerful armies done for not much cash . ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680781.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
 BlapBlapBlap wrote:


So my question is this; is there any good reason for me to reenter 40k? Has it improved?

Thanks,
Blap


I would wait until after 7th or 6.5 or whatever. 40k has not improved, it's convoluted and trying to accomplish too much under one format. Like any game good opponents can help make up for crappier balance but there's less now than in 5th in my experience. Part of that is GW closing its larger retail locations, fewer tables to play on. A lot of flgs's can make good coin stickin to cards, comics and collectables and even if they sell gw stuff no guarantee that there will be gaming space.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680889.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6680889.page GMT Re:Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
Makumba wrote:
 BlaxicanX wrote:
6th edition works decently well at low-points games (like 1000 points, my sweetspot). It's only at the larger point games that you get all the whacky bs.



I played enough games against eldar and tau at 1-1250 points to know that this isn't true.


6th is a good edition for someone who had a big tau or eldar army bought in 5th when people were getting rid of them . A WK here 2-3 riptides there and presto two very powerful armies done for not much cash .
Eldar and Tau are easily manageable at sub-1500 point games.

All armies are, because it's more difficult to spam your best units. At 1000 points, spamming Riptides isn't going to work, and an army that's predominantly Fire Warriors with a Crisis Squad and a Riptide or a couple vehicles isn't nearly as formidable.

Same concept with Eldar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6681982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6681982.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
Two heroes duel atop an ancient stone circle while shells fall around them. One of them loses his footing as the ground shakes from the footfall of a nearby titan, but before his opponent can take advantage of the slip, they are forced back by a barrage of shells from a passing aircraft. Rocket motors fire, then twin contrails streak out across the sky to detonate behind the flier, igniting it in massive ball of fire that backlights the hero it had driven back, only for his opponent to to barrel into him and knock him off the pedestal... moments later the entire area dissolves as a volcano cannon misses its target and obliterates the area. The battle continues none the better for the loss of two such mighty heroes, for in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682110.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
 Furyou Miko wrote:
Sell you on sixth edition?

Two heroes duel atop an ancient stone circle while shells fall around them. One of them loses his footing as the ground shakes from the footfall of a nearby titan, but before his opponent can take advantage of the slip, they are forced back by a barrage of shells from a passing aircraft. Rocket motors fire, then twin contrails streak out across the sky to detonate behind the flier, igniting it in massive ball of fire that backlights the hero it had driven back, only for his opponent to to barrel into him and knock him off the pedestal... moments later the entire area dissolves as a volcano cannon misses its target and obliterates the area. The battle continues none the better for the loss of two such mighty heroes, for in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.
Have an exalt. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682148.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682170.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682170.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682220.page GMT Re:Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
40k falls short in the competitive arena and this is not solely inherent to 6th edition. I play it because I like the fluff and the look of the models. The game itself is very playable but is notably flawed in a number of ways; I've not experience with other TT games to make comparisons.

There's something to be said about the abundance of supplements and additions to the game recently. It simply provides more options. Although, that's really only a benefit if you can afford them. But I guess you can say that about anything in 40k.

All the supplements and dataslates may make list building "convoluted," but I don't see how that would dissuade someone from wanting to play or collect 40k. If it confuses you so, and you do decide to start up a 40k army, start with the standard FoC and expand from there. You're given a number of "tools" and it's up to you to figure it out for yourself which ones you want. Having one or more friends to play with that don't take the game super seriously is a boon. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682562.page GMT Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
GW also seems to e trying to cover all its bases and failing, which I don't like. They have stuff like Kill Team, which was like original 40k, and show it alongside Apocalypse and Escalation,and Planetary Empires. Ultimately, it scales poorly like most games; the main reason is just to see whether I can go and play at my FLGS, but I can't really be bothered.

In terms of the setting, I think 40k is not only unoriginal but has also lost its reason; the universe is dark, everything is awful; you used to have tongue-in-cheek and satire, hence why we have characters like A'bad'un and Marbo.

Ultimately, I'm going to keep a distant eye on 40k, I feel, but move onto Deadzone and Dust. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6682733.page GMT Re:Can anybody sell me on 6th Edition?
 BlaxicanX wrote:
Makumba wrote:


I played enough games against eldar and tau at 1-1250 points to know that this isn't true.


6th is a good edition for someone who had a big tau or eldar army bought in 5th when people were getting rid of them . A WK here 2-3 riptides there and presto two very powerful armies done for not much cash .
Eldar and Tau are easily manageable at sub-1500 point games.

All armies are, because it's more difficult to spam your best units. At 1000 points, spamming Riptides isn't going to work, and an army that's predominantly Fire Warriors with a Crisis Squad and a Riptide or a couple vehicles isn't nearly as formidable.

Same concept with Eldar.

Notr going to work? both eldar and tau can fit their normal no escalation builds in to 1000-1250pts. Seerstar or riptide spam lose nothing in their effectivness , but have fewer targets to kill , while both armies troops do the same thing they normaly do , which is their jetbikes for 2-3 turns . ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6683960.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587110/6683960.page GMT