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15 tactical marines (I've included my 5 sword brethren unit in there)
5 assault marines
5 scout sniper
5 assault terminators
1 dreadnought


I've created about 17 army lists on HQ builder but I'm having a couple of different problems...mainly with my assault termies because it's obviously too risky to deep strike them, so they HAVE to ride a land raider. But putting them in a land raider means i can't take a 10+ crusade squad unless it's footslogging (which sound stupid to do in the 6th edition). So yeah I kinda feel bad playing BT and not using the big crusader squad...is it really that useful? what should i do...

My other problem is with my dreadnought....I can't seem to find which role to give him, my first idea was to keep his melta and put him in a drop pod so he can do damages behind enemies lines...but since i don't want to have to deep strike him on my first turn...i have to use another drop pod with a crusade squad inside...and I don't see the tactical advantage in doing so

So here's one of my latest list, tell me what you think, I'm a bit of a n00b...and sorry for my bad english. Thanks!




Black Templars (1848/1850pt.)


@HQ [ 3 ]

Captain (120pt.) Iron halo; Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Lightning claw (x2);

5x - Command Squad (215pt.)
> 1x - Veteran (20pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Chainsword; Bolt pistol;
> 1x - Veteran (45pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Power fist; Bolt pistol;
> 1x - Veteran (35pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Chainsword; Bolt pistol; Company Standard;
> 1x - Company Champion (35pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Power weapon; Combat Shield; Bolt pistol;
> 1x - Apothecary (35pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Chainsword; Narthecium;
> 1x - Rhino (45pt.); Storm bolter; Smoke launchers; Searchlight; Extra armour;

Chaplain (105pt.) Rozarius; Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Crozius Arcanum; Bolt pistol; Jump pack; (note: join the Space Marines Assault Squad)

@Elites [ 2 ]

Dreadnought (155pt.) Smoke launchers; Searchlight; Multi-melta; Power fist; Built-in Heavy flamer; Extra armour;
> 1x - Drop Pod (35pt.); Storm bolter;

5x - Terminator Assault Squad (460pt.)
> 1x - Terminator Sergeant (40pt.); Terminator armour; Lightning claw (x2);
> 2x - Terminator (45pt.); Terminator armour; Thunder hammer; Storm shield;
> 2x - Terminator (40pt.); Terminator armour; Lightning claw (x2);
> 1x - Land Raider Redeemer (250pt.); Twin-linked assault cannon; Flamestorm cannon (x2); Smoke launchers; Searchlight; Frag Assault Launcher; Multi melta;

@Troops [ 4 ]

10x - Crusader Squad (218pt.)
> 4x - Initiate (14pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Chainsword;
> 1x - Initiate (19pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Flamer;
> 1x - Initiate (39pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Boltgun; Power fist;
> 1x - Sword Brother (39pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Boltgun; Power weapon;
> 3x - Neophyte (10pt.); Scout armor; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Close combat weapon;
> 1x - Drop Pod (35pt.); Storm bolter;

5x - Scout Squad (60pt.)
> 1x - Scout Sergeant (12pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Sniper rifle; Bolt pistol;
> 4x - Scout (12pt.); Scout armor; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Sniper rifle;

6x - Crusader Squad (135pt.)
> 4x - Initiate (14pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Boltgun;
> 1x - Initiate (34pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Lascannon;
> 1x - Neophyte (10pt.); Scout armor; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Boltgun;
> 1x - Rhino (35pt.); Storm bolter; Smoke launchers; Searchlight;

6x - Crusader Squad (145pt.)
> 3x - Initiate (14pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Boltgun;
> 1x - Initiate (29pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Plasmagun;
> 1x - Initiate (29pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Plasma cannon;
> 1x - Neophyte (10pt.); Scout armor; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Boltgun;
> 1x - Rhino (35pt.); Storm bolter; Smoke launchers; Searchlight;

@Fast attack [ 2 ]

Stormtalon Gunship (125pt.) Ceramite plating; Twin-linked assault cannon; Skyhammer missile launcher;

5x - Assault squad (110pt.) Jump Packs;
> 1x - Space Marine Sergeant (37pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Power weapon; Combat shield;
> 1x - Space Marine (22pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Chainsword; Flamer;
> 3x - Space Marine (17pt.); Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Chainsword; Bolt pistol;

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Maybe i should put the Command Squad and the Captain in a drop pod too.....?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675152.page GMT CC, so I would take as many 10 man units with drop pods as possible, also for shooting take meltas, so you pop the tanks and you get the juicy infantry or MC left for your swarms.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675354.page GMT Your army excels at running up the board, fighting in challenges, and running large squads of infantry, and you're not planning on any of that. So here's something that should stick with your main ideas but do a much better job:

HQ (240pts)

Chapter Master (240pts) Artificer Armor (20pts), Digital Weapons (10pts), The Shield Eternal (50pts), Thunder Hammer (30pts)

Elites (375pts)

Dreadnought (160pts) Multi-Melta, Venerable (25pts) Drop Pod (35pts)

Terminator Assault Squad (215pts) 5x Terminators (200pts), 3x TH/SS (15pts)

Troops (1010pts)

Crusader Squad (135pts) 5x Initiates (70pts), Meltagun (10pts), Drop Pod (35pts), Sword Brother (10pts), Bolt pistol, Combi-weapon (10pts)

Crusader Squad (135pts), 5x Initiates (70pts), Meltagun (10pts), Drop Pod (35pts), Sword Brother (10pts), Bolt pistol, Combi-weapon (10pts)

Crusader Squad (235pts) Flamer (5pts), 10x Initiates (140pts), Power Fist (25pts), Drop Pod (35pts), Sword Brother (10pts), Bolt pistol, Melta Bombs (5pts), Power Weapon (15pts)

Crusader Squad (505pts), Flamer (5pts), 10x Initiates (140pts), 5x Neophytes with chainswords (50pts), Power Fist (25pts), Land Raider Crusader (250pts), Multi-Melta (10pts), Sword Brother (10pts), Bolt pistol, Power Weapon (15pts)

Fast Attack (225pts)

Assault Squad (100pts), 2x Flamer (10pts), Keep Jumppacks, 4x Space Marine (68pts), Space Marine Sergeant (17pts), Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Melta Bombs (5pts)

Stormtalon Gunship (125pts), Skyhammer Missile Launcher (15pts), Twin-Linked Assault Cannon


Save the rhinos for marines that are better at shooting, and exchange them for drop pods. Turn 1 you drop down whichever units take your fancy, and they'll hopefully kill a vehicle or two and then serve as a distraction, while late in the game your other pods come in, and your terminators will deepstrike. Since you'll already have a strong presence in your enemy's deployment zone, your terminators should be relatively safe from shooting, the small unit size should keep them safer from mishaps, and the stormshields will make the unit pretty survivable.
Ultimately the goal of army so far was to open the enemy up for your chapter master and massive crusader squad in the LRC, and the assault squad can join in as well if you're facing a particularly nasty unit.
Now you will have to drop the sniper scouts, but if you want to expand to 2K you could easily bring them alongside a nice land speeder and really fill out your army.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675455.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675644.page GMT 5 CC marines will certainly not be a threat to most units, but they will be very capable of tying up an enemy unit for a turn or two while the rest of your army pushes forward.
I'd consider running both loadouts since the two squads would be identical otherwise, and that way you can play to decide which you like the most while keeping your army rather versatile.
If you really decide you like shooting pods it might be worthwhile to include a heavy weapon as well, and if you prefer CC it might be worthwhile to bring a powerfist and/or drop the combimelta for a power weapon.
Also, in case you aren't aware our characters reroll all failed hits and get rending while in a challenge, so even a basic sword brother has the potential to wound on something much better than he is with some luck on your side.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587190/6675708.page GMT
First of all, I've focused more on a drop pod army, I always liked that concept and it fit the profile of the BT, I guess I just did not have to guts to do it. Not being able to assault on the turn I disembark seemed too risky to me, but I guess I need to go all in and just mess with whatever strategy my adversary have. I like that.

I don't really like the idea to but so many points in a single HQ, so I've kept my 2x LC captain (really want to use that sword brethren model, plus 2x LC seem perfect for challenges) but like suggested, I've added Artificer Armor for extra survivability. I also need to keep my command squad, it's already painted and it looks really good, so I gave them a drop pod with my captain.

I removed my Chaplain (even though BT need to have a chaplain!) but I'd like to include him in a 2000pts army. I like the idea of him leading my Assault Marines.

I created a big troop and gave it a land raider, and created two drop pod of 5 marines, one for anti tank that drop on the first turn and another ranged one to hold or capture objectives

I gave venerable to my dreadnought, would drop it on the first turn. My only fear is still deep striking an assault terminators squad, but like you said, with 3-4 drop pods in their backyard, the squad should be able to endure that first round.

Black Templars(1849/1850pt.)


@HQ [ 2 ]

Captain (140pt.) Iron halo; Artificer armour; Lightning claw (x2)

5x - Command Squad (205pt.)
> 1x - Veteran (20pt.); Chainsword; Bolt pistol
> 1x - Veteran (45pt.); Power fist; Bolt pistol
> 1x - Veteran (35pt.); Chainsword; Bolt pistol; Company Standard
> 1x - Company Champion (35pt.);
> 1x - Apothecary (35pt.); Chainsword; Narthecium
> 1x - Drop Pod (35pt.);

@Elites [ 2 ]

Venerable Dreadnought (170pt.) Multi-melta; Power fist; Built-in Heavy flamer
> 1x - Drop Pod (35pt.);

5x - Terminator Assault Squad (215pt.)
> 1x - Terminator Sergeant (40pt.); Lightning claw (x2)
> 3x - Terminator (45pt.); Thunder hammer; Storm shield
> 1x - Terminator (40pt.); Lightning claw (x2)

@Troops [ 4 ]

15x - Crusader Squad (505pt.)
> 7x - Initiate (14pt.); Bolt pistol; Chainsword
> 1x - Initiate (19pt.); Flamer
> 1x - Initiate (39pt.); Power fist
> 1x - Sword Brother (39pt.); Power weapon
> 5x - Neophyte (10pt.); Bolt pistol; Close combat weapon
> 1x - Land Raider Crusader (260pt.); Multi melta

5x - Scout Squad (60pt.)
> 1x - Scout Sergeant (12pt.); Sniper rifle
> 4x - Scout (12pt.); Sniper rifle

5x - Crusader Squad (165pt.)
> 3x - Initiate (14pt.); Bolt pistol; Chainsword
> 1x - Initiate (24pt.); Bolt pistol; Meltagun
> 1x - Sword Brother (54pt.); Power fist; Melta bombs
> 1x - Drop Pod (45pt.); Locator beacon

5x - Crusader Squad (140pt.)
> 3x - Initiate (14pt.); Boltgun
> 1x - Initiate (29pt.); Plasma cannon
> 1x - Sword Brother (34pt.); Combi-plasma
> 1x - Drop Pod (35pt.);

@Fast attack [ 2 ]

Stormtalon Gunship (125pt.) Skyhammer missile launcher

5x - Assault squad (110pt.) Jump Packs
> 1x - Space Marine Sergeant (37pt.); Power weapon; Melta bombs
> 1x - Space Marine (22pt.); Flamer
> 3x - Space Marine (17pt.); Chainsword; Bolt pistol

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