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Something like a darker brown rust pigment and maybe a combo of burnt sienna, burnt umber on the oils. I'd go really light on the oils. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588306/6695951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588306/6695951.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588306/6696028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588306/6696028.page GMT