<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Iron hands 1750 smashstar"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Iron hands 1750 smashstar Hq Chapter master(clan raukaan)
Bike, artificer armor, tempered helm gorgon's chain Thunderhammer, lightning claw, bike
295
Chaplain on bike110
Command squad with apothecary, 4 grav guns 4 stormshields and bikes, 2 melta bombs270
Chapter master (codex:SM Iron hands tactics)with artificer armor TH/shield eternal, bike250
Troops
10man tactical squad with melta, combi melta, missile launcher in a rhino210
10 man tactical squad with flamer, combi flamer, missile launcher in rhino 205
5man tactical squad with plasma cannon
5x scouts(codex:sm detachment)55
Fast attack
Skyhammer stormtalon125
Skyhammer stormtalon125
Heavy support
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I would make your ally Chapter Tactics White Scars (you already might be thinking this) so your death star gets hit and run, and drop the devs for a troops choice of 5 bikes with hit and run, 2 gravs, combi grav and melta bombs (150). Make the scouts iron hands with just 5 bolters (55) and outflank to steal an objective.

Also I don't see much point in having your single tac squad pod in alone, so put them in a rhino. I'd ride both rhinos on either side of your death star screening them from side attacks that would hit models that aren't your big CMs first; make them shoot them first.

Also, if you can squeeze in an auspex on one of the CMs that will help the grav shots be even nastier! (downgrade a thunder hammer to a power fist?)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6702779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6702779.page GMT Iron hands 1750 smashstar
xTHExCLINCHERx wrote:. I would drop one storm shield on the command squad for a pair of melta bombs.
I would make your ally Chapter Tactics White Scars (you already might be thinking this) so your death star gets hit and run, and drop the devs for a troops choice of 5 bikes with hit and run, 2 gravs, combi grav and melta bombs (150). Make the scouts iron hands with just 5 bolters (55) and outflank to steal an objective.

Thanks for advice, altough my idea with vanilla CM is to be as endurant as he can be in vanilla 'dex, so i ride him with Clan Raukaan CM in chappy's command squad.(2+3++ 5+ FNP Adamantium will Eternal warrior IWND) speaking of troop bikes, i don't have them yet, so until i get them, Iron hands CT is better IMO
xTHExCLINCHERx wrote:Also I don't see much point in having your single tac squad pod in alone, so put them in a rhino. I'd ride both rhinos on either side of your death star screening them from side attacks that would hit models that aren't your big CMs first; make them shoot them first.

Also, if you can squeeze in an auspex on one of the CMs that will help the grav shots be even nastier! (downgrade a thunder hammer to a power fist?)

removed the devastators, gave the tacs another rhino instead of drop pod, and put a 5 man tactical squad with plasma cannon AS WELL AS 4 SS and 2 melta bombs in command squad, see the edited list, TNX for advice ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703817.page GMT Iron hands 1750 smashstar
ThatSwellFella wrote:
xTHExCLINCHERx wrote:. I would drop one storm shield on the command squad for a pair of melta bombs.
I would make your ally Chapter Tactics White Scars (you already might be thinking this) so your death star gets hit and run, and drop the devs for a troops choice of 5 bikes with hit and run, 2 gravs, combi grav and melta bombs (150). Make the scouts iron hands with just 5 bolters (55) and outflank to steal an objective.

Thanks for advice, altough my idea with vanilla CM is to be as endurant as he can be in vanilla 'dex, so i ride him with Clan Raukaan CM in chappy's command squad.(2+3++ 5+ FNP Adamantium will Eternal warrior IWND) speaking of troop bikes, i don't have them yet, so until i get them, Iron hands CT is better IMO


I think I understand what you're saying here is that the codex chapter you are using as any ally is Iron Hands? Unfortunately you can't do this with the rules as written. It's worded in such a way that the Clan Raukaan supplement says you use Iron Hands Chapter Tactics but replace things like artifacts (so you can't take shield eternal) and warlord traits with those in the supplement (you are still iron hands). And in the space marine codex under chapter tactics it says that if you have two detachments that have the same chapter tactics, they are considered one detachment.. So that would mean you have relics from both books in the same detachment, which isn't allowed, and 3 HQs all from Iron Hands detachment which breaks the FOC. Unfortunately you would have to make your allies something other than Iron Hands to run alongside you Clan Raukaan Primary Detachment (which is already using Iron Hands Chapter Tactics); that's why I recommended Whit Scars.

Other than that, I'm glad the feedback helped!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703856.page GMT Re:Iron hands 1750 smashstar CSM, Iyanden with eldar etc...(and they can, since it is different book)
At least we play like that in my area, until FAQ or something says you can't do so. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703864.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703864.page GMT Iron hands 1750 smashstar IH and CR allies. I wouldn't mind letting you do this, but at a tourney, it likely won't fly. :-)

White Scars are more awesome, anyway.

Good list, Bozz. :-)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703914.page GMT Re:Iron hands 1750 smashstar
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6703915.page GMT Iron hands 1750 smashstar cm since he has a 4+ cover and everyone else has a 5+ since he has skilled rider (unless it confers it to the whole unit then in that case ignore my rambles)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6704002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6704002.page GMT Iron hands 1750 smashstar ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6704010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6704010.page GMT Re:Iron hands 1750 smashstar
ThatSwellFella wrote:
OK, beats me... Will use whitescars tactic then


Yeah, just to clarify (since this bit me when going to a FLGS tournament before... I just don't want you to be hit by the same ruling, unexpectedly) the reason you can't ally Irond Hands with Clan Raukaan isn't because it's a supplement or different book, or even that they're both space marines, it's because in the space marine codex on p.76 (I think) where it talks about chapter tactics... it says that two detachments with the same chapter tactics are treated as the SAME detachment. If you look in the Clan Raukaan supplement, it clearly states that they use Iron Hands Chapter Tactics.

Sorry, but it's good to know if you plan on hitting up a tournament... but otherwise, in friendly games I'm sure no one would mind!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6704030.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6704030.page GMT Iron hands 1750 smashstar
 A GumyBear wrote:
Just be careful they dont declare focus fire and single out the one white scars cm since he has a 4+ cover and everyone else has a 5+ since he has skilled rider (unless it confers it to the whole unit then in that case ignore my rambles)

Why 4+ cover when i go with TH/Shield eternal?3++ ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6706706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6706706.page GMT Iron hands 1750 smashstar
ThatSwellFella wrote:
 A GumyBear wrote:
Just be careful they dont declare focus fire and single out the one white scars cm since he has a 4+ cover and everyone else has a 5+ since he has skilled rider (unless it confers it to the whole unit then in that case ignore my rambles)

Why 4+ cover when i go with TH/Shield eternal?3++


Basically, since the White Scars CM has a better jink save (because of his Chapter Tactics) he can be ignored when the enemy fires at the unit with a worse cover save. It's called "focus fire" and is found in the BRB. This is why people running a grav centurion deathstar who take a beastly CM on bike to tank are advised to drop the bike and run him on foot... he is the only one with a higher cover save, so focus fire allows the enemy to ignore him, and opt for shooting (and only able to kill) the models with a worse cover save; it's called Focus Fire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6707435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6707435.page GMT Iron hands 1750 smashstar
But the combo with different chapter tactics works, because Skilled Rider transfers to the entire unit if there's only one model with it in the squad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6707657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/588670/6707657.page GMT