Glorywarrior wrote:
this list will die. you have models that would be better used in a SM list. try them.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
The problem with this list is that your scouts will get ravaged hard by any kind of dedicated gunfire, which is sadly most of what you'll face. I like the Terminator heavy aspect, they will survive quite a bit, but you should try and run Corbulo if you can since he can tank wounds like a champ. Stick him in with Terminators and watch them survive the apocalypse lol!

Death Company are great, but you need something to get them to their targets quickly. No vehicles=dead DC. Consider vehicle. If you have the cash, a stormraven or land raider are optimal.

Also, when it comes to holding objectives, you might find that your scouts are very squishy and easy to kill.

Devastators can be good, missile launchers are ace, so you have at least some way to deal with armor, but in the end, I would drop a squad of the PG ones and add a squad of Tactical Marines since it doesn't look like you have much for assault marines.

You need vehicles, I can't stress that enough. That much footslogging will just get creamed in the open field. Terminators will fare slightly better, but at the end of the day they can't weather everything...

This is a great list to play for fun, and if you have fun with it go with it, but winning will be an uphill battle in the best of scenarios.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
Ah Martel...our resident BA troll.

micahwc wrote:
K, the list on the bottom is my total count of models including the list above it. Could someone explain why the missile launcher devestators are bad? On B&C everyone seems to recommend them.

Would Corbulo be better than a terminator sanguinary priest? If so, I can add him with a conversion. Not a problem.

What particular aspect of BA devestators makes it so I should "never ever" take them?

Scouts will die, I understand that. Are the camo cloaks with cover saves not enough to keep them alive?


Since I dont own the space marine codex, what kind of list would be best with these models? If I insist on running BA, how many vehicles are optimal to keep any one from taking too much focused fire? What mix of vehicles would y'all recommend?

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
I never told him that my recommendations would guarantee victory, merely that with his options every battle would be uphill at best. You can't pick and choose parts of what I post and then argue a whole point.

Your posts are rude, and even if you have a good head about you as far as 40K goes (and you do) that doesn't mean you get to be all hoity toity about how superior you are. Congrats on your precious TauDar being the best army. But seriously man stop shooting down every single BA thread that comes up.

It is a well established fact that you hate the BA. It is a well established fact that they are easily the worst codex in the format right now, but they are by no means the completely broken mess that you think they are. I am suspecting that you feel this way because you play a WAAC list...wait.

Before you inevitably use your broken record response "why is it bad that I play the best army available" argument, I am not saying that it is a bad thing.

What I am saying however, is that just because he doesn't play the most WAAC option out there doesn't mean that you get the right to bash his choices into oblivion. I keep telling you to use the knowledge that you have and help new BA players at least have fun with the codex instead of automatically assuming that losing=having no fun. You also assume that he will undeniably lose every singe game.

I've seen BA beat Tau. That's right. I've seen DC ruin a Riptide's day. I've seen TH/SS Terminators squash Wave Serpents. It does happen, even if it is uncommon it still happens.

Sorry to rant but I've honestly had about enough of you ruining every single BA players day with your negative comments. If nobody else here will tell you fine, but where I come from we help new players and support their choices, not tell them what a bad choice they made and run them into the ground.