http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net csm and dark angels both sporting a worrying amount of AV 14. All oppions and suggestions welcome.

HQ
Farseer 100pts
Singing spear 5pts

Autarch 70pts
Jetbike 15pts
Banshee mask 5pts
Fusion gun 10pts
Celestial lance 35pts

Guardians x10 with starcannon

Guardians x10 with starcannon

Dire Avenngers x10 exarch with shimmersheild and power weapon

3 x wave serpents 3 shuriken cannons 2 scatter laser 1 bright lance 3 holofields
2 for The wraithguard or possibly the avengers and the bright lance equipped one for the dragon to go
Landraider hunting

Wraithguard x 5 wraith cannon

Wraithguard x 5 d-scythes

Fire Dragons x 5 exarch fire pike fast shot

2x warwalkers 1 bright lance 1 scatter laser on each

Wraithlord 2x bright lance 2x flamer ghostglaive

4x shinning spears (riding with the autarch) exarch star lance hit and run.


And that's it. It's slightly over 2k but not enough to worry the group.

Should I swap the spears for windriders?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6746121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6746121.page GMT HQ's, we don't need to see the breakdown - just give us the totals if you feel the need to.

Consider swapping the Farseer for a Spiritseer - you've got two units of 'Guard and not too many units crying out for Guide. With these extra points take Monster Hunter on the Spear's Exarch (it's cheap and could really help against Daemon Princes if your friend runs them) and possibly another Shining (or other way of using up the points).

Another possibility is to 'blob up' the two units of Guardians, make them a bit less likely to break.

For the Serpents, I'd give them to the F'ragons and 'Guard, as the DA have greater range and movement (Battle Focus) to tromp up the board easier than the other units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6746161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6746161.page GMT
1) I would just take TLSL on the Dragon's wave serpent. You are light on AA in this list and will need that twin-linked shield to down fliers.

2) Take Brightlances with your gaurdians. Starcannons are great, but you guardians already excell at eating 2+ saves. The bright lances will give an adition threat to AV 13+.

3) Dont mix roles on the War Walkers. If you are going for Lances, take all Lances. 4 shots is always better than 2 TL shots.

4) Celestial Lance looks cool on paper, but it can, and will eventually nuke your own squad. (I learned this the hard way.) Trade it out for the Shard of Anaris to make thos Shining Spears fearless, and to punk other characters in challenges.

5) Trade the farseer out for a Spiritseer. Makes your wraithguard troops. Who doesnt love T6 scoring units? The only way I would keep the Farseer in this list, would be by giving him a jetbike and the Mantle of the Laughing God.

just my 2c]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6746179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6746179.page GMT
Surprised to see the suggestions to swap the farseer out, worth a try though I guess, I'll miss the powers but scoring wraithguard could be worth the trade I guess. I used to run both a farseer and spiritseer together and never thought he added much besides making wraiths scoring.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6746197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6746197.page GMT
You need a few more spears, around six or so. Four is just too easy to kill, even with a character leading them. Drop the exarch from the dragons to free up some points, as dragons do fine without an exarch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6747519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6747519.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6750347.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6750347.page GMT
1) the lance is cool, but only works with soloautarchs (who cannot take MotLG), so swap it as was mentioned for shard, or for soul shrive, for a possible S10 Ap2 melee beast.

2) I disagree about dragon's exarch, keep him and the firepike, if their serpent gets downed the extra range is good.

3) break the war walkers into 2 units of 1 to make them a harder target.

4) lastly I second the serpents being BL, along with guardians taking BL (I have found that you either go all out with BL or none at all).

Hope this helps.

Ps. Spears will make their points back, also they are not the easiest unit to kill with a 3+/4+ but H&R is a must.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6750449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6750449.page GMT
Are there any other swaps or alterations people would recomennnd before I hit buy? Any obvious weaknesses? I'm aware I lack anti air but flyers are a rarity with my friends although I think it's on only a matter of time before a heldrake shows up.

Also would there be any benefit to swapping one of the serpents out for a fire prism? Or maybe even a fire dragon carrying falcon? Just something I've been trying to weigh up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6751804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/590983/6751804.page GMT