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				<description><![CDATA[ This is a list that I plan on taking to a competition and I thought it would be nice to get some feedback. <br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></b><br /> <br /> Belial with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>&<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> - 190<br /> <br /> Deathwing Command - 325<br /> Apothecary<br /> Champion<br /> Deathwing Banner<br /> Assault Cannon<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>&<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> <br /> <b>TROOP</b><br /> <br /> Deathwing Squad 1 - 245<br /> Chainfist<br /> Plasma Cannon<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>&<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> <br /> Deathwing Squad 2 - 240<br /> Plasma Cannon<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>&<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> <br /> Deathwing Squad 3 - 225<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>&<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> <br /> <b>ELITE</b><br /> <br /> Deathwing Knights - 235<br /> <br /> Dreadnought - 135<br /> Venerable<br /> Plasma Cannon<br /> <br /> <b>HEAVY SUPPORT</b><br /> <br /> Land Raider - 255<br /> Storm Bolter<br /> <br /> <br /> So the game plan is really to have Deathwing Squad 1-2 and the command with Belial to deep strike most likely on turn 1 so they can pretty much handicap the opponents heavy hitters. The Deathwing squad 3 will most likely hold the back field objective while the Knights will sit in the Raider and take care of deathstar units with some smite modes.  The Venerable Dreadnought will try to get some kills and at best annoy the enemy. Then when the end of the game comes near I'll try to claim the other objectives.<br /> <br /> Now as far as competitiveness goes I'm running Deathwing so I threw that straight out of the window but still will be a lot of fun. So I'll leave it at that and I hope you like the list that I made.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:1850 Point Deathwing List</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ My criticisms:<br /> <br /> 1) I would drop the command squad. <br /> -It doesn't score.<br /> -Has bad durability for its points cost<br /> -Does not add much (if anything) to the army.<br /> -You could have spent these points on another scoring unit.<br /> -If you want a beatstick terminator squad to go with belial, then pt him with the knights. <br /> - If you are walking so many units across the board, you might want to try and use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> banner instead.<br /> <br /> 2) Squad loadout:<br /> - Using terminators for shooting is not an effective use of them, you want them in melee. <br /> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span>/ Assault cannon are the undisputed best heavy weapons. (Unless you are using belial + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> squad perhaps). Plasmacannons are pretty poor in comparison. <br /> I would get more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>. They are the only thing that makes your terminators even slightly worth their price tag. <br /> <br /> 3) Base landraider???<br /> - Who takes these things anymore. Almost any other raider would be better. Terminators are packing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> 8 armour ignoring weapons, so leave the big stuff to them. They struggle with hordes, so get a crusader (or possibly a redeemer, if you like the inferior option).<br /> -Also consider the Spartan assault tank instead. +45 points gives you 2 more lascannons and an exta hullpoint. <br /> -No deathwing vehicle either? <br /> -Storm bolter?!! The multi-melta is only 5 more points.<br /> <br /> 4) Also, only 1 landraider?? <br /> -Footslogging terminators wont end well, deepstriking them in is also incredibly risky, only belial's unit wont scatter, and dropping multiple scattering 250+ point units in one go has a significant risk. (also tau pie plates of intercepting with ruin your day). <br /> -Consider a 2nd landraider. It will provide more cover, let the unit inside move safely up the board, and will also take some of the anti tank pressure off your existing raider.<br /> <br /> 5) PFG?<br /> -If you are taking multiple raiders, then consider a PFG librarian or techmarine on a bike. Whilst not entirely fluffy, they will make your 550+ points worth of boxes twice as durable.<br /> <br /> 6) Plasma cannon dreadnought - Why?<br /> -One advantage of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> if that they can take multiple mortis dreads. <br /> - For 145 points you can take a dreadnought with 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannons which has skyfire and interceptor. I know which one I would choose. <br /> <br /> Hope that helps. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Apr 2014 05:27:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Big Blind Bill]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1850 Point Deathwing List</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ One thing that I probably should've stated is that the competition is keeping things as vanilla as it can get so any forgeworld stuff is out of the question. Also must stress that there are no spare points so it's an even 1850 list.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>1) I would drop the command squad. <br />  -It doesn't score. <br />  -Has bad durability for its points cost <br />  -Does not add much (if anything) to the army. <br />  -You could have spent these points on another scoring unit. <br />  -If you want a beatstick terminator squad to go with belial, then pt him with the knights. <br />  - If you are walking so many units across the board, you might want to try and use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> banner instead. </div></blockquote><br /> This I completely agree with but I will say the only reason is that it makes belial slightly more survivable. I honestly think the banner is a little pricey and finding the points would be an utter nightmare.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>2) Squad loadout: <br />  - Using terminators for shooting is not an effective use of them, you want them in melee. <br />  - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span>/ Assault cannon are the undisputed best heavy weapons. (Unless you are using belial + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> squad perhaps). Plasmacannons are pretty poor in comparison. <br />  I would get more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>. They are the only thing that makes your terminators even slightly worth their price tag. </div></blockquote><br /> I feel that the Plasma Cannons on the terminators is a good choice because it's cheaper then the others and is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>ap</span> 2 makes it very versatile against a huge variety of infantry units. The hammers are there purely to soak up the shots that would deny my 2+ saves and instead need to get through a 3++ save.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>3) Base landraider??? <br />  - Who takes these things anymore. Almost any other raider would be better. Terminators are packing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> 8 armour ignoring weapons, so leave the big stuff to them. They struggle with hordes, so get a crusader (or possibly a redeemer, if you like the inferior option). <br />  -Also consider the Spartan assault tank instead. +45 points gives you 2 more lascannons and an exta hullpoint. <br />  -No deathwing vehicle either? <br />  -Storm bolter?!! The multi-melta is only 5 more points.</div></blockquote><br /> Oh boy where to start, the only reason you would ever take deathwing vehicle is to have dedicated transport and frankly venerable isn't worth a darn in 6th edition. What's wrong with two twin-linked lascannons? I value the godhammer pattern over the others to be honest and also had this Raider take down so many flyers so it has some luck there. Ok, the storm bolter was taken purely because that was all I had left.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>4) Also, only 1 landraider?? <br />  -Footslogging terminators wont end well, deepstriking them in is also incredibly risky, only belial's unit wont scatter, and dropping multiple scattering 250+ point units in one go has a significant risk. (also tau pie plates of intercepting with ruin your day). <br />  -Consider a 2nd landraider. It will provide more cover, let the unit inside move safely up the board, and will also take some of the anti tank pressure off your existing raider. </div></blockquote><br /> I'll be really blunt and say that tau will ruin anybody's day. One raider is going to have to do since it does only leave 1600 points for the rest of the army and that's not a whole lot of points in the sense of deathwing. Deep striking terminator is it risky, yes but sometime you have to take risks to achieve a certain leverage against the opponent.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>6) Plasma cannon dreadnought - Why? <br />  -One advantage of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> if that they can take multiple mortis dreads. <br />  - For 145 points you can take a dreadnought with 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannons which has skyfire and interceptor. I know which one I would choose. </div></blockquote><br /> I take it because I find it fun to run it.<br /> <br /> As far as changes go the command get's dropped as well as the storm bolter and get another squad , giving the other deathwing squad a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span>, and giving the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> to the raider. I do find this helpful but if I wanted a really competitive <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> list then I should be running ravenwing it's just that I hate painting bikes. I know this is a long reply but it felt more appropriate to talk about it in sections. So as again thank you for your feedback.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Apr 2014 07:32:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:1850 Point Deathwing List</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Oh boy where to start, the only reason you would ever take deathwing vehicle is to have dedicated transport and frankly venerable isn't worth a darn in 6th edition. What's wrong with two twin-linked lascannons? I value the godhammer pattern over the others to be honest and also had this Raider take down so many flyers so it has some luck there. Ok, the storm bolter was taken purely because that was all I had left. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Venerable re-rolls that lucky explodes result, or the immobilized result that would leave your terminators stranded. Land raiders are more likely to explode than be glanced to death, so it still has a purpose. You can get by without it however. <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>I'll be really blunt and say that tau will ruin anybody's day. One raider is going to have to do since it does only leave 1600 points for the rest of the army and that's not a whole lot of points in the sense of deathwing. Deep striking terminator is it risky, yes but sometime you have to take risks to achieve a certain leverage against the opponent. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Land raiders are actually a very good counter to tau. The only firepower that will pose a significant threat will be half range fusion guns, and hammer heads. Of these, fusionguns are close range, so are difficult to get into position and are vulnerable afterwards, and hammerheads (which are less and less common) only get the one shot, which is offset by venerable. <br /> <br /> Have a read of this list: <a href="http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281946-repost-by-popular-demand-mechdwa-deathwing-1850/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281946-repost-by-popular-demand-mechdwa-deathwing-1850/</a><br /> I agree with its principles, and I find mechanized <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> to have more merit than a footslogging one. <br /> Of course neither is particularly competitive. But getting tabled is never fun.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:21:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Big Blind Bill]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ wow....i thought the dark angels couldnt be any worse then i seen this list, why dont you just switch to tau where the lists build them selves jeez]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>wow....i thought the dark angels couldnt be any worse then i seen this list, why dont you just switch to tau where the lists build them selves jeez</div></blockquote><br /> It's because dark angels is my soul army and I'm also not a power gamer. Dark Angels may not be the best but they still have a few trick up their sleeves.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Some people don't like using the latest fad easy mode army either. ]]></description>
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