http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1: Two rhinos to haul around the two tactical squads sporting Plasma Cannons.
2: A 6 man scout squad with sniper rifles and camo cloaks to pick off special weapon units.
3: A second predator without any upgrades, since I'm a little lacking in heavy armor.
4: Two more terminators bringing the two squads to 6 each just for a little more teleporting-in-your-face-firepower.
5: 6 More marines because it's a shooty army, and I can stand to have more shooty.

I'm really in favor of the first two, but the other options seemed to have some merit to them. What would you do to fill out the last 90 points in the following army list?

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HQ - Terminator Librarian with command squad (1 Librarian with Terminator Armor, Power Sword, Storm Bolter, - 5 Terminators, Assault Cannon, Chain Fist, Apothecary 370 points)

TROOP 1 - Tactical Marine Squad (1 sergeant with bolter - 1 marine with plasma cannon and bolt pistol, 4 marines with boltgun and bolt pistols, all units have frag and krak grenades, 99 points)

TROOP 2 - Tactical Marine Squad (1 sergeant with bolter - 1 marine with plasma cannon and bolt pistol, 4 marines with boltgun and bolt pistols, all units have frag and krak grenades, 99 points)

TROOP 3 - Tactical Marine Squad (1 sergeant with bolter - 1 marine with rocket launcher frag, krak and flakk missles and bolt pistol, 4 marines with boltgun and bolt pistols, all units have frag and krak grenades, Rhino 144 points)

TROOP 4 - Tactical Marine Squad (1 sergeant with bolter - 1 marine with rocket launcher frag, krak and flakk missles and bolt pistol, 4 marines with boltgun and bolt pistols, all units have frag and krak grenades, Rhino 144 points)

ELITE 1 - Terminator Sqaud (1 sergeant with storm bolter and power sword, 1 terminator with assault cannon and power fist, 1 terminator with storm bolter and chain fist, 2 terminators with storm bolter and power fists 245 points)

ELITE 2 - Terminator Sqaud (1 sergeant with storm bolter and power sword, 1 terminator with assault cannon and power fist, 1 terminator with storm bolter and chain fist, 2 terminators with storm bolter and power fists 245 points)

FAST ATTACK 1 - Bike Squad (1 Ravenwing sergeant with chainsword, and twin-linked bolt guns, 1 biker with plasma gun and twin-linked bolt guns, 2 bikers with bolt pistol and twin-linked bolt guns, 1 attack bike with multi-melta gun and twin-linked bolt guns 177 points)

FAST ATTACK 2 - Bike Squad (1 Ravenwing sergeant with chainsword, and twin-linked bolt guns, 2 bikers with plasma gun and twin-linked bolt guns, 1 biker with bolt pistol and twin-linked bolt guns, 1 attack bike with multi-melta gun and twin-linked bolt guns 192 points)\

HEAVY 1 - Predator (1 Predator with Auto Cannon, and Heavy Bolter Sponsons, 95 points)

FORTIFICATION - Aegis Defense Line (1 Aegis Defense Line with Quad Cannon, 100 points)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759039.page GMT
Option 3 sounds cool too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759048.page GMT
Right off the bat, drop the plasma pistols. They are one of the worst weapons a marine sarge can take. You pay a premium for a short ranged one shot weapon that might kill you. Realistically, you only get 1-2 shots with a plasma pistol a game. If you manage to get over four luck is seriously on your side. Your squads don't seem to be designed to get close to the enemy, so I doubt they will be in range. Then consider the squad surviving, etc. Having the plasma shot is decent though, but you could get a combi plasma for less. At pistol range, you get 2 shots, but you have the option for long range plasma if you need it. Taking combi plas over pistols nets you those sponsons for the 2nd pred.

Small teams on foot behind the ADL are ok, but don't expect a lot. You could take 10 bodies in the rhinos, then combat squad, keeping the heavy weapons behind the line, and putting a special weapon and the sarge in the boxes. Plasma cannons are OK, but not great. Missiles are the same, but don't bother with flak missiles. A single S7 shot won't scare most fliers, and wastes the squad's shooting. I could see an exception if you have a squad on the quad gun, then a flak missile there is somewhat justified.

Terminators, command squad and libby all look great. If your planning on using deathwing assault for the libby/command squad, consider an auspex. Might also consider a deathwing champ depending on your playstyle and meta. You lose a stormbolter/fist, but gain a character who is decently scrappy in a challenge for cheap.

Ravenwing attack squads are generally better off taking melta over plasma, as the price of a plasma bike is equal to a black knight, which is far superior. The advantages of fast ravenwing attack squads are the attack bikes, melta guns and cost. I would consider getting full squads so you can combat squad, 2 meltas each, maybe a combi melta if you can afford. Alternatively, get some black knights for plasma, rad/stasis grenades, skilled rider, and serious assault punch. There is no reason you could not have a squad of each...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759104.page GMT
The raven wing bikers have plasma guns because I built this army off of 3x Dark Vengeance box sets (bought one, traded half, and a friend owed me some figures and plays CSM) - But I'll see if I can snag a couple with meltas off E-bay to round those out. At that point I'd drop enough points to go with the Predator.

The Flakk missiles are the only thing outside of the Aegis Quad Gun that's anti-air, even if they're not spectacular I felt I need to have something (Eventually I'm going to get an IG/AM detachment with Vendettas and that'll get filled better) - Are you sure it's safe to lose them completely?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759125.page GMT
Yes, the flak missiles are your only AA besides the quad, but they are pretty bad for what they do. Most of the scary fliers are Av12, so your odds of doing damage are pretty low. Against Av10, you only have a 30% chance of doing something(considering they will probably evade). Best to just ignore fliers altogether and focus on the ground game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759796.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759890.page GMT
Nothing is better for AA than a flyer.

Having tried for a good few games to get round flyers with massed flakk missiles and failing to shoot down a single one I tired a Storm Talon with Twin linked LasCannons and the Assault Cannon and took down a Tau flyer in one turn...

The Talon is worth every point.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759913.page GMT
Another spanner in the works would be to free up 10 points and get a Thunderfire Cannon, because like, thunderfire cannons are amongst the best heavy support choices in the entire of 40k...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6759922.page GMT SM allies, though. I agree with Dr. Serling, the best bet for AA without radically changing this list is to hope that the ADL doesn't whiff and focus on the ground. If you get lucky with reserve rolls the game could be decided before they even came in (caveat: luck is involved here).

I played a game the other day with a (mostly) pure RW list. I had killed all of a CSM player's troops by the time his Hellturkey came in. All it did the entire battle was roast a scout that was already fleeing. The rest of the game his flier was just trying to chase down my bikes that were turbo boosting between objectives to prevent vector strikes and flaming.

If you end up with some extra points after the edits suggested above, consider adding some more marines to your TAC squads or adding a banner to the command squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6760021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6760021.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6761152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6761152.page GMT Hb sponsons another predator that would be better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6761198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6761198.page GMT tac squads and get a Dev squad and thunderfire cannon.

If you move your tac squads then plasma cannons cannot fire. If you move the units with missile launchers then you have to use Krack missiles as snap shots, but as your unit can't split fire your blotters have to be shooting into the same unit. If it is just MEC then it is a waste of a S8.

I would suggest dropping all of the Heavy weapons getting a bargain TFC including tech marine who can then bolster the defence of the ruins where you place your new dev squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6761312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/591664/6761312.page GMT