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HQ:
1 Overlord (SW, Warscythe, Shifter) - 160
Vargard Obyron - 160

Royal Court:
1 Despairtek (Veil of Darkness) - 60
Lord (SW, Res Orb, Staff of Light) - 80
Lord (SW, MSS, Warscythe) - 75

Troops:
10 Immortals (Gauss) - 170
10 Warriors - 130
5 Warriors - 65

Elites:
Triarch Praetorians (VB/PC) - 200

Fast Attack:
4 Scarab swarms - 60

Heavy Support:
Annihilation Barge - 90

I'm normally facing off against DA, CSM and occasionally Tau, and know someone starting GK. Any tweaks/advice? Thanks in advance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6777912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6777912.page GMT
I assume you have the veiltek with the immortals?

Are you winning with this list? any problems? do you have other models?

Sorry for so many questions, but it's a bit difficult to tweak without knowing how you play this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6779105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6779105.page GMT CC Lord goes with the 10 warriors as an assault deterrent and the Veiltek goes with the 5 warriors (although I don't have a problem switching him with the CC Lord). I usually DS the Praetorians to tie up any dangerous units for a few turns (Usually a devastator squad with Plasma Cannons that the DA player runs). That's usually really effective, they've even killed Abbadon (technically, Drachn'yen killed Abbadon, but the Praetorians got the other wounds off him. I usually win against everyone but the DA player, since he just runs termies until they block out the sun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6779443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6779443.page GMT
-Swap the orb to the overlord as it seems safer to have it on a multi-wound model. Also, you can then use the lord as a sacrificial lamb in challenges.

-As you don't have Zandy, I would be inclined to swap Oby for a basic overlord and an extra Veiltek. Having the extra overlord gives you more flexibility with how you assign the courts to units. Also, the additional Abyssal staff is always handy (particularly against termies).

-See if you can find the points for MSS for the overlord. Perhaps trade the shifter for MSS, which leaves 30 points to beef up the second overlord?

my 2c, assuming you have a spare cryptek model.



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Of course, you don't have the ability to teleport out of CC if you drop Oby, so ymmv with the suggestions above.
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Also, I've taken your advice with the Res orb and MSS, and moved them both from the Lords to the Overlord. I suppose it is logical to have the more powerful items with the hardier model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6781741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6781741.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6825482.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6825482.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6829710.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6829710.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6829838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/592633/6829838.page GMT
Generally, though, Obyron should be used in your CC/counter charge unit as it isn't points efficient/worthwhile to use him in a troop unit. So abandoning his unit is unlikely to leave them up the creek.

Zandy works well in a number of places (essentially the 2+/3+ and orb adds value to many units).

If you are creating a deathstar of some description, you'd probably already have both Zandy and Oby together, because that gives you the most flexibility. At the start of the game, in 5th it used to be a common tactic to zoom Zandy forward, then use the no scatter teleport to move a slow moving but nasty unit to him. That tactic I haven't seen much in 6th, because of the nerf to CCB but also because most units that need it can take a Night Scythe.

If you whacked Zandy into a blob (I often do this) and an assault unit was getting close to the blob, imo you'd pull Oby and his CC unit back to Zandy first. I don't often use Oby anymore, but when I did putting him into a squad of spyders and just letting the opponent know I could teleport them anywhere (and that oby auto teleported into a combat with Zandy) sometimes psyked out the opponent enough that they didn't try to assault Zandy's blob.

Anyway, ymmv. I don't think the auto join Zandy is a bad thing, and if obyron is in a unit which can't handle itself in CC without him a bit of forward planning will solve that anyway.
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