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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi all,<br /> <br /> Long time reader, first time poster.  Im looking at getting back into warhammer <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, specifically doing tournaments at warhammer world (as i live in nottingham).  The list i.m trying to create is a well rounded list to deal with current meta armies.<br /> So anyways heres my list, i need to cut 32 points so any help in that regard would be great, also i'm looking for some advice but ill be putting my thoughts into tactics and my ideas behind each choice at the bottom, thanks in advance for any help!<br /> <br /> <br /> 1500 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> 400<br /> <br /> Daemon Prince 265<br /> - wings <br /> - power armor <br /> - Black Mace -<br /> - mark of nurgle <br /> <br /> Chaos Lord 135<br /> - Mark of nurgle <br /> - 1 x Lightning claws <br /> - 1 x powerfirst <br /> - sigil of corruption <br /> <br /> <br /> Troops 634<br /> <br /> 7 plague marines 228<br /> - 2 x melta <br /> - melta bombs <br /> - rhino <br /> <br /> 7 Plague marines 203<br /> - 2 x Plasma gun <br /> - melta bombs <br /> <br /> <br /> 7 Plague marines 203<br /> - 2 x Plasma gun <br /> - melta bombs <br /> <br /> <br /> Fast Attack 170<br /> <br /> Heldrake 170<br /> - Baleflamer<br /> <br /> <br /> Heavy Support 228<br /> <br /> Obliterator 76<br /> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> <br /> Obliterator 76<br /> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> <br /> Obliterator 76<br /> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> <br /> Fortifications 100<br /> <br /> Aegis defense line 100<br /> - quadgun <br /> <br /> total 1532<br /> <br /> So my first Question is regarding my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>, mark of nurgle? or mark of slaanesh? The army is fairly nurgle themed, but im not that into fluff, so the optimal choice is preferred.  Secondly, i wanted my lord on a bike with a squad, but couldnt find the points, as im already over.  My general game plan would be to rush the lord + melta squad forward in the rhino to offer support to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> as he gets up close with the black mace, this is also going to have the heldrake supporting them.  The two squads of plasma gun plague marines will be to hold objects, and for one squad to sit on the quadgun.  The 3 obilterator's will be diverse, as i can deep strike them vs horde armies for good flamer positioning or in the back to shoot high <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>av</span> targets in the rear, or 1 or 2 can also sit behind the fortifications to shoot from ranged.<br /> <br /> So to recap, the things i'm after are, ways to drop this list to 1500, and any improvements people can suggest. Maybe drop an obilterator for a squad of bikes? but then i also need 20 more points for a bike for the lord.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Slightly refined list, its in the points but im not sure if its better or worse.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> 420<br /> <br /> Daemon Prince 265<br /> - wings <br /> - power armor <br /> - Black Mace <br /> - mark of tzeentch<br /> <br /> Chaos Lord 155<br /> - Mark of nurgle <br /> - 1 x Lightning claws <br /> - 1 x power axe<br /> - blight grenades<br /> - sigil of corruption <br /> - bike <br /> <br /> Troops 581<br /> <br /> 7 Plague marines 203<br /> - 2 x Plasma gun <br /> - melta bombs <br /> <br /> 7 Plague marines 203<br /> - 2 x Plasma gun <br /> - melta bombs <br /> <br /> 5 Plague marines 175<br /> - 2 x melta <br /> - melta bombs <br /> - rhino<br /> <br /> Fast Attack 258<br /> <br /> Heldrake 170<br /> - Baleflamer<br /> <br /> 3 bikes 88<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> <br /> -melta bombs<br /> <br /> Heavy Support 140<br /> <br /> Obliterator 70<br /> <br /> Obliterator 70<br /> <br /> Fortifications 100<br /> <br /> Aegis defense line 100<br /> - quadgun <br /> <br /> total 1499]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Your second list is better, but if your not down with Nurgle and willing to commit fluff heresy, put a mark of Tzeentch on the prince. Re rolling your saves of 1 is kind of a big deal. Nurgle prevents you from sweeping units in combat, which you generally want to do. Since you have no psychic powers, consider a burning brand over the black mace. A bit cheaper, and capable of roasting troops. Use the points saved to buy a gift of mutation, which rarely hurts and often helps. <br /> <br /> Toss melta bombs across the army. It does leave you weak against raiders, but almost everything else is Av10-11 on the rear, and krak grenades/power fists will do in a pinch. A gift on the lord is always welcome, but blight grenades are a must. For 5 bones, you get stealth at 8" or less, and deny charge bonuses FOR THE WHOLE SQUAD! Tossing bombs would also give you a gift on the nurgle lord...<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:46:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Dr. Serling]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ ok the mark of tzeentch on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> sounds like a no brainer now i look at it, so thanks there. I feel i have enough templates with the 2 oblit's and the heldrake. <br /> <br /> How does dropping the power first on the lord sound? give him a power axe + blight grenades, then melt bombs to the bike champ aswell? ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Headstrong]]></author>
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