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				<description><![CDATA[ Sounds like an opportunity for Liquid Fuelled FREEDOM to come to the rescue!<br /> Alternatively shoot down the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span>. If we can't use it, no one can. <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10828964/Russia-to-ban-US-from-using-Space-Station-over-Ukraine-sanctions.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span>/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10828964/Russia-to-ban-US-from-using-Space-Station-over-Ukraine-sanctions.html</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Russia is to deny the US future use of the International Space Station beyond 2020 and will also bar its rocket engines from launching US military satellites as it hits back at American sanctions imposed over Ukraine crisis. <br /> <br /> Russia’s deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin announced a series of punitive measures on Tuesday against the US in response to sanctions imposed after Russia annexed Crimea. <br /> <br /> The two countries have long cooperated closely on space exploration despite their clashes in foreign policy. <br /> <br /> The Space Station is manned by both American and Russian crew, but the only way to reach it is by using Russia’s Soyuz spacecraft. <br /> <br /> The US is keen to keep the $100 billion (£600) <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> flying until at least 2024, four years beyond its original target. <br /> <br /> At a time when Moscow is struggling to reform its accident-plagued space programme, Mr Rogozin said US plans to deny export licences for some high-technology items were a blow to Russian industry. “These sanctions are out of place and inappropriate,” Mr Rogozin said. “We have enough of our own problems.” <br /> <br /> Moscow’s response would affect NK-33 and RD-180 engines which Russia supplies to the US, Mr Rogozin said. “We are ready to deliver these engines but on one condition that they will not be used to launch military satellites,” he said. <br /> <br /> RD-180 engines are used to boost Atlas 5 rockets manufactured by United Launch Alliance, a partnership of Lockheed Martin and Boeing that holds a virtual monopoly on launching U.S. military satellites. <br /> <br /> Mr Rogozin said Moscow was planning "strategic changes" in its space industry after 2020 and aims to use money and "intellectual resources" that now go to the space station for a "a project with more prospects". <br /> <br /> He suggested Russia could use the station without the United States, saying: "The Russian segment can exist independently from the American one. The U.S. one cannot." <br /> <br /> The US space agency NASA is working with companies to develop space taxis with the goal of restoring US transport to the station by 2017, but the United States currently pays Russia more than $60 million per person to fly its astronauts up. <br /> <br /> Mr Rogozin said Russia will suspend the operation of 11 GPS sites on its territory from June and seek talks with Washington on opening similar sites in the United States for Russia's own satellite navigation system, Glonass. <br /> <br /> He threatened the permanent closure of the GPS sites in Russia if that is not agreed by September. <br /> <br /> He said the suspension of the sites would not affect everyday operations of the GPS system in Russia, where it is used by millions of Russians for navigation on their smartphones and in their cars. <br /> <br /> The upheaval in Ukraine - where the United States says Russia is backing separatists and the Kremlin accuses Washington of helping protesters to topple a Moscow-friendly president in February, has led to the worst East-West crisis since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union. <br /> <br /> In addition to the hi-tech sector sanctions, the US has imposed visa bans and assets freezes on officials and lawmakers and targeted companies with links to President Vladimir Putin. The European Union has also imposed sanctions. <br /> <br /> The Russian Foreign Ministry said earlier on Tuesday that the latest <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> measures were an "exhausted, trite approach" that would only deepen discord and hamper efforts to defuse the crisis in Ukraine. <br /> </div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Seems fair. I'm sure I could dig up some quotations from the US politicians about actions and consequences if I wanted to. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sounds like shutting down our space program was a short sighted choice <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Party in my backyard when the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> is floating through the night sky as a flaming wreck!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824530.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>Party in my backyard when the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> is floating through the night sky as a flaming wreck!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> But only because of our "if we can't have it nobody can" attitude would force us to shoot it down  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 13 May 2014 20:51:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/81bf4fa6bee9ecfd18fd7a1cfcf97618.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824550.page"><b>Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824530.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>Party in my backyard when the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> is floating through the night sky as a flaming wreck!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> But only because of our "if we can't have it nobody can" attitude would force us to shoot it down  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> ONly if we can do it with sharks with frigging lazer beams.  <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 13 May 2014 21:04:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824615.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/81bf4fa6bee9ecfd18fd7a1cfcf97618.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824550.page"><b>Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824530.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>Party in my backyard when the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> is floating through the night sky as a flaming wreck!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> But only because of our "if we can't have it nobody can" attitude would force us to shoot it down  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> ONly if we can do it with sharks with frigging lazer beams.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Only if they're riding Boeing 787 Dreamliners]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 13 May 2014 21:07:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824615.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/81bf4fa6bee9ecfd18fd7a1cfcf97618.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824550.page"><b>Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824530.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>Party in my backyard when the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> is floating through the night sky as a flaming wreck!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> But only because of our "if we can't have it nobody can" attitude would force us to shoot it down  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> ONly if we can do it with sharks with frigging lazer beams.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_t_2zENoWjRg/TDD7ON9r3DI/AAAAAAAAAWo/0lmcNQhxfEU/s1600/fricken+shark.jpg" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_t_2zENoWjRg/TDD7ON9r3DI/AAAAAAAAAWo/0lmcNQhxfEU/s1600/fricken+shark.jpg" border="0" /></div></blockquote>Exactly! Have a taste of Salt Water freedom you pinko commies!  <img src="/s/i/a/9576fdd015edbd19edbaabd1556a4944.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/9576fdd015edbd19edbaabd1556a4944.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/9576fdd015edbd19edbaabd1556a4944.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/9576fdd015edbd19edbaabd1556a4944.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 13 May 2014 21:10:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Don't be afraid, vicepremier Rogozin has proposed a very good solution for the US. Use a giant trampoline to send astronauts to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span>!<br /> Also, Rogozin said Russia plans to decommission the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> in 2020.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 13 May 2014 21:11:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/497dd726888184e556859e18dd6e0404.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824481.page"><b>LordofHats wrote:</b></a><br/>Sounds like shutting down our space program was a short sighted choice <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This could actually be a good thing. It will encourage more private space research and development.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 13 May 2014 21:16:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6933b5cb39ca4928da3d9a25dee4e52.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824657.page"><b>Iron_Captain wrote:</b></a><br/>Don't be afraid, vicepremier Rogozin has proposed a very good solution for the US. Use a giant trampoline to send astronauts to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span>!<br /> Also, Rogozin said Russia plans to decommission the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> in 2020.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good for Russia. They don't have complete ownership of it, so yeah.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If I were Putin, I would have added the following dig at the US, "If the US needs a means to get to space, maybe they should reach out to Iran or North Korea"]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Can't we just make our own space station? And rockets? And then thank them for helping to create more jobs here in the US?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Comrades, this is but phase one of Russia's four part plan.  <br /> Stage one- Secure orbital control.<br /> Stage Two- Apply paint to alter the I to an R on the RSS.<br /> Stage 3- Launch 3d printers to the RSS <br /> Stage 4- 3d Print a fleet of autonomous robot drones to secure space.<br /> <br /> All that is left is a ragtag band of Space Camp goers, who have been dared to spend the night in the decommisioned shuttle Atlantis by a rival team.<br /> <br /> Thus is the plot of Red Eclipse- to bring back the sun, they must take to the stars.<br /> <br /> You're welcome Syfy.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 13 May 2014 21:37:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/75109e655b3c6ce93af60d5155e39357.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824766.page"><b>Gitzbitah wrote:</b></a><br/>Comrades, this is but phase one of Russia's four part plan.  <br /> Stage one- Secure orbital control.<br /> Stage Two- Apply paint to alter the I to an R on the RSS.<br /> Stage 3- Launch 3d printers to the RSS <br /> Stage 4- 3d Print a fleet of autonomous robot drones to secure space.<br /> <br /> All that is left is a ragtag band of Space Camp goers, who have been dared to spend the night in the decommisioned shuttle Atlantis by a rival team.<br /> <br /> Thus is the plot of Red Eclipse- to bring back the sun, they must take to the stars.<br /> <br /> You're welcome Syfy.</div></blockquote><br /> And after that, we will paint a Lenin face on the moon.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>The US is keen to keep the $100 billion (£600) </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Wow the dollar really has sunk low, no wonder you guys all hate Obama...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/960f7c6658fc98a93a83bab3895238bd.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6825014.page"><b>Smacks wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div>The US is keen to keep the $100 billion (£600) </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Wow the dollar really has sunk low, no wonder you guys all hate Obama...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, it is like Germany post-WWI over here.  I have a wheel barrow full of $100 bills, could I buy some bread from you? <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6933b5cb39ca4928da3d9a25dee4e52.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824992.page"><b>Iron_Captain wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> And after that, we will paint a Lenin face on the moon.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> See... because it was Americans who were on the moon first, we'd just go back there sooner than Russians, and we'd probably do something awesome, like carving the original Ghostbusters faces onto the moon]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I vote for the Trollface.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm a little surprised they would go this route. I mean, politically it's obviously going to be a big winner for them but I would have thought that their need for hard currency would have made this too difficult. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/27d10b229e24aa99472bfa2737e20559.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6825745.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm a little surprised they would go this route. I mean, politically it's obviously going to be a big winner for them but I would have thought that their need for hard currency would have made this too difficult. <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Vodka export money probably more than makes up for it <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 14 May 2014 15:26:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Ensis Ferrae]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/23b702c4c421ddb2d023fee968c0d839.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6826851.page"><b>Ensis Ferrae wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/27d10b229e24aa99472bfa2737e20559.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6825745.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm a little surprised they would go this route. I mean, politically it's obviously going to be a big winner for them but I would have thought that their need for hard currency would have made this too difficult. <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Vodka export money probably more than makes up for it <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Pfft, the good Vodka isn't even made in Russia anymore. <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Mission control for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> is in Houston, which can turn the power, air, and other gak on and off, so...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ "What do you mean they cut the power Man?  How could they cut the power?!?!" <br /> <br /> -Hudson on the meaning of life. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 14 May 2014 17:10:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/16d35b165b7793595c4543fcba97cbd1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6825522.page"><b>Grey Templar wrote:</b></a><br/>I vote for the Trollface.</div></blockquote><br /> This would be more effective on the moon to enrage Putin:<br /> <img src="http://thecontributor.com/sites/default/files/resize/breaking-news/2013/08/gay-russia-3-400x401.jpg" border="0" /><br /> He would have to arrest the moon for breaking the law on gay-propaganda.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c106aeaee40730db7c1e274538821f7.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6827091.page"><b>kronk wrote:</b></a><br/>Mission control for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> is in Houston, which can turn the power, air, and other gak on and off, so...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> We'll play your game Russia!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A bare chested Putin on horse back was enough<br /> The "discovery" of ancient artifacts on a dive was a bit over the top<br /> Now you want to put the man on the moon....W.T.H.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 14 May 2014 18:36:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/831e6d69e89adda4de61a3b4c7ead806.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6827522.page"><b>Jihadin wrote:</b></a><br/>A bare chested Putin on horse back was enough<br /> The "discovery" of ancient artifacts on a dive was a bit over the top<br /> Now you want to put the man on the moon....W.T.H.</div></blockquote><br /> That way, mankind will be able to bask in His glory for many future generations to come.<br />  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ All I'm saying is that is I end up looking as good as Putin when I'm 60 I'll be pretty dang proud of myself. Also apparently the modules that control life support on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> are stationed in the Russian part of the station. But as far as I can tell we won't have any epic USA vs Russian brawls in space over the life support handle at any time in the near future. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Just gonna leave this here...<br /> <br /> <img src="http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/5c2bc916aa717f18d73e9e7cf56f49c8/200113419/DrEvil-steve.jpg" border="0" /><br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 14 May 2014 20:27:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5564ea8fc1f9acd97ea2215d54c26a1f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824683.page"><b>Necros wrote:</b></a><br/>Can't we just make our own space station? And rockets? And then thank them for helping to create more jobs here in the US?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm hardly a Tea Partier, but I don't see how that's a wise use of money given our current national debt and some of the big bills we'll continue to have coming in for entitlements.  <br /> <br /> Besides, we'd be handing that money to NASA, who haven't been the wisest users of money. We used to have a shuttle, but no station to shuttle to.  Now we have a station (or at least part of it), but no way to shuttle our astronauts there.<br /> <br /> <img src="http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/files/2014/03/Strategery.jpg" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So the Russians are preventing the sale/use of rockets to the US? This is not good, how will the United states get stuff to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> now? To bad we don't have a private company in the US that can manufacture rockets, or make modules that allow us to send astronauts into space. oh wait... we do<br /> <br /> <img src="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/24/article-2149507-13473779000005DC-262_634x587.jpg" border="0" /><br /> <br /> ^ This guy just got really really friggen happy]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 14 May 2014 21:06:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ebedf0805b824cd998e09f5b6a20460b.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6828021.page"><b>gorgon wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5564ea8fc1f9acd97ea2215d54c26a1f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824683.page"><b>Necros wrote:</b></a><br/>Can't we just make our own space station? And rockets? And then thank them for helping to create more jobs here in the US?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm hardly a Tea Partier, but I don't see how that's a wise use of money given our current national debt and some of the big bills we'll continue to have coming in for entitlements.  <br /> <br /> Besides, we'd be handing that money to NASA, who haven't been the wisest users of money. We used to have a shuttle, but no station to shuttle to.  Now we have a station (or at least part of it), but no way to shuttle our astronauts there.<br /> <br /> <img src="http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/files/2014/03/Strategery.jpg" border="0" /></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> At least Space Exploration has some tangible goals and long term rewards(not to mention it stimulates scientific achievement)<br /> <br /> Most entitlements are nothing but flailing attempts at damage control.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ To be fair the NASA started first.<br /> <a href="http://www.iflscience.com/space/nasa-cuts-ties-russia" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.iflscience.com/space/nasa-cuts-ties-russia</a><br /> I think you can't complain much when you start things and the other side escalates the issue.<br /> <br /> M.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks like cancelling the space program and defunding NASA wasn't such a good idea after all.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/27f0dde29eab1365b35a96233d596973.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6827687.page"><b>dementedwombat wrote:</b></a><br/>But as far as I can tell we won't have any epic USA vs Russian brawls in space over the life support handle at any time in the near future. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'd imagine that for most of the people actually working on these things and going up into space, the idea of national and cultural boundaries isn't such a limiting factor in the face of scientific discovery and "holy gak I'm in space!"]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Next thing we see Russia puts up weapons of mass destruction in orbit.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5564ea8fc1f9acd97ea2215d54c26a1f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824683.page"><b>Necros wrote:</b></a><br/>Can't we just make our own space station? And rockets? And then thank them for helping to create more jobs here in the US?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Winner winner chicken dinner!!!<br /> <br /> GG]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And again space programs suffer from political idiocy. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/674f42b0eb85ee6cfdb2261b0abcdc72.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829520.page"><b>Antario wrote:</b></a><br/>And again space programs suffer from political idiocy. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In their defense thats the only reason we have them in the first place.  You don't spend $500Bn because you're bored and have a budget surplus blowing a hole in your pocket.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ We'll make our own space station.<br /> With Blackjack and Hookers!<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">(I say 'we', but I mean the US on this. The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span> doesn't seem to give 2 feths about space  <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0">  ) </span>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829559.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>In their defense thats the only reason we have them in the first place.  You don't spend $500Bn because you're bored and have a budget surplus blowing a hole in your pocket.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Global spending on space programs doesn't even reach $75bn annually. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/674f42b0eb85ee6cfdb2261b0abcdc72.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829714.page"><b>Antario wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829559.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>In their defense thats the only reason we have them in the first place.  You don't spend $500Bn because you're bored and have a budget surplus blowing a hole in your pocket.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Global spending on space programs doesn't even reach $75bn annually. <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> DId you not see how much the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> cost?  $150Bn estimated (translation its much more then that)<br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station#Cost" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station#Cost</a><br /> <br /> How about the Apollo program in current dollars?  <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>In March 1966, NASA told Congress the "run-out cost" of the Apollo program to put men on the moon would be an estimated $22.718 billion for the 13-year program which eventually accomplished six successful missions between July 1969 and December 1972.[citation needed] According to Steve Garber, the NASA History website curator, the final cost of project Apollo was between $20 and $25.4 billion in 1969 dollars[citation needed] (approximately $145 billion in 2008 dollars[citation needed]).<br /> <br /> The costs associated with the Apollo spacecraft and Saturn rockets amounted to about $83 billion [Apollo spacecraft: $28 billion (Command/Service Module: $17 billion; Lunar Module: $11-billion), Saturn I, Saturn <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(181);'>IB</span>, Saturn V launch vehicles: about $46 billion] in 2005 dollars.[citation needed]<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program</a><br /> <a href="http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/cost-of-apollo-program" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/cost-of-apollo-program</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829824.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/> DId you not see how much the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> cost?  $150Bn estimated (translation its much more then that)<br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station#Cost" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station#Cost</a><br /> <br /> How about the Apollo program in current dollars?  <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>In March 1966, NASA told Congress the "run-out cost" of the Apollo program to put men on the moon would be an estimated $22.718 billion for the 13-year program which eventually accomplished six successful missions between July 1969 and December 1972.[citation needed] According to Steve Garber, the NASA History website curator, the final cost of project Apollo was between $20 and $25.4 billion in 1969 dollars[citation needed] (approximately $145 billion in 2008 dollars[citation needed]).</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The costs associated with the Apollo spacecraft and Saturn rockets amounted to about $83 billion [Apollo spacecraft: $28 billion (Command/Service Module: $17 billion; Lunar Module: $11-billion), Saturn I, Saturn <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(181);'>IB</span>, Saturn V launch vehicles: about $46 billion] in 2005 dollars.[citation needed]</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Those costs of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> are spread over a period of almost 30 years, from it's initial design stages to the present. Those can be fit easily in the annual spending amount I mentioned. The entire <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span> and Apollo project cost put together, say $300bn roughly in current dollar value, are about equal to 2 months of global military spending. <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ ITS STILL $300BN.  <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829948.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>ITS STILL $300BN.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> In terms of public spending that is peanuts. Particularly given the massive spin off in terms of technological advances these projects triggered in the private sector and the associated employment created in new industries.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/16d35b165b7793595c4543fcba97cbd1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6828322.page"><b>Grey Templar wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ebedf0805b824cd998e09f5b6a20460b.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6828021.page"><b>gorgon wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5564ea8fc1f9acd97ea2215d54c26a1f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6824683.page"><b>Necros wrote:</b></a><br/>Can't we just make our own space station? And rockets? And then thank them for helping to create more jobs here in the US?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm hardly a Tea Partier, but I don't see how that's a wise use of money given our current national debt and some of the big bills we'll continue to have coming in for entitlements.  <br /> <br /> Besides, we'd be handing that money to NASA, who haven't been the wisest users of money. We used to have a shuttle, but no station to shuttle to.  Now we have a station (or at least part of it), but no way to shuttle our astronauts there.<br /> <br /> <img src="http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/files/2014/03/Strategery.jpg" border="0" /></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> At least Space Exploration has some tangible goals and long term rewards(not to mention it stimulates scientific achievement)<br /> <br /> Most entitlements are nothing but flailing attempts at damage control.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, like making sure people don't starve, die because of lack of medical treatment, etc.  It'd be better to cut that gak so dorks can dream of being Captain Kirk.   <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> Look, I wanted to be an astronaut when I was a kid.  But now that I'm an adult, I have the ability to step back and see clearly how much of our space program spending was wasteful and without any real strategy OR real benefit to most of our people beyond flagwaving.  Again, shuttle without station, now station without shuttle.  It's STAGGERING how dumb and wasteful that was. <br /> <br /> It's important to invest in science, but it's NOT WRONG to ask hard questions about who really benefits from something as costly, dangerous and difficult as these space programs.   <br /> <br /> Now, you want to talk about developing a system to protect our planet and species against asteroid/comet/whatever impacts, THAT would be space program spending I could get behind, even if it's quite large.  There's a clear and highly important benefit to something like that. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/674f42b0eb85ee6cfdb2261b0abcdc72.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829961.page"><b>Antario wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829948.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>ITS STILL $300BN.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> In terms of public spending that is peanuts. Particularly given the massive spin off in terms of technological advances these projects triggered in the private sector and the associated employment created in new industries.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> How much is the Netherlands spending on their space program? ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well, Elon Musk is probably happy now.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829948.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>ITS STILL $300BN.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The entire world spend a little more than what we spend in 6 months on our military?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Considering that we live in an era where a huge amount of technology we use every day is directly descended from the space race, I'd say it was money well spent.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829998.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/674f42b0eb85ee6cfdb2261b0abcdc72.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829961.page"><b>Antario wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829948.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>ITS STILL $300BN.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> In terms of public spending that is peanuts. Particularly given the massive spin off in terms of technological advances these projects triggered in the private sector and the associated employment created in new industries.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> How much is the Netherlands spending on their space program? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Around $4bn on organizations like ESA, ESO and other multinational cooperative ventures. Per capita roughly similar to the US and other western nations.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b9b75bf87cf5cbee8ee9368bd64fa6c9.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830028.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>Well, Elon Musk is probably happy now.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829948.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>ITS STILL $300BN.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The entire world spend a little more than what we spend in 6 months on our military?<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And yet with the exception of Russia, the US, and a now expansionist China, how many nations have a space program?  <br /> What do you tell a Medicare patient   - yea we'd rather blow billions studying how rats  <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> in space and make you pay more for your reimbursement.  <br /> <br /> New flash the US has a staggering annual deficit. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ce76047a480307c534bc9209605a05c5.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830076.page"><b>Fafnir wrote:</b></a><br/>Considering that we live in an era where a huge amount of technology we use every day is directly descended from the space race, I'd say it was money well spent.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Like what again?    Don't say GPS: thats military. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/674f42b0eb85ee6cfdb2261b0abcdc72.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830152.page"><b>Antario wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829998.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/674f42b0eb85ee6cfdb2261b0abcdc72.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829961.page"><b>Antario wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829948.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>ITS STILL $300BN.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> In terms of public spending that is peanuts. Particularly given the massive spin off in terms of technological advances these projects triggered in the private sector and the associated employment created in new industries.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> How much is the Netherlands spending on their space program? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Around $4bn on organizations like ESA, ESO and other multinational cooperative ventures. Per capita roughly similar to the US and other western nations.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> $4Bn?  Chump change. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ce76047a480307c534bc9209605a05c5.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830076.page"><b>Fafnir wrote:</b></a><br/>Considering that we live in an era where a huge amount of technology we use every day is directly descended from the space race, I'd say it was money well spent.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think it's a mixed bag.  On one hand you have satellite technology, which has transformed our culture.  On the other you have programs like the shuttles and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span>. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/8081ec5551d9be5cb203e977dc3c7d74.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830267.page"><b>Wolfstan wrote:</b></a><br/>I can already see our golden haired /bearded media / airplane owner rubbing his hands with glee  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Too bad his airplane won't be of any use as a replacement of a proton rocket (or equivalent).]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830205.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b9b75bf87cf5cbee8ee9368bd64fa6c9.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830028.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>Well, Elon Musk is probably happy now.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6829948.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>ITS STILL $300BN.  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The entire world spend a little more than what we spend in 6 months on our military?<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And yet with the exception of Russia, the US, and a now expansionist China, how many nations have a space program?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <font color='red'>Austria, Belgium, Czech, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span>,</font> Costa Rica, Mexico, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Venezuela, Brazil, Bolivia, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Singapore, Australia, Thailand, Hungary, <font color='red'>Iran, Israel, Japan</font>, Kazakhstan,  <font color='red'>North Korea, South Korea, India</font>, Lithuania, Egypt, Argentina, Indonesia, <font color='red'>Ukraine</font>, Taiwan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Romania, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam.<br /> <br /> I highlighted the relevant countries if you want to go ahead and move the goal post to "who can launch into space". <br /> <br />   <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> What do you tell a Medicare patient   - yea we'd rather blow billions studying how rats  <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> in space and make you pay more for your reimbursement.  <br /> <br /> New flash the US has a staggering annual deficit. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Medicare is getting $530 Billion, Medicaid is getting $304 Billion. Nasa is getting less than $18 Billion (aka: around 0.5% of the total budget.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ How many of those are for nonmilitary applications? <br /> Romania?  Seriously, come on. You list OMania with anything, you just made it a joke. <br /> <br /> Besides,  we need that money to buy submachine guns for the USDA.  Evidently the chickens are in rebellion. <br /> I'll note even the Rooskies are for shutting down the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(607);'>ISS</span>. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830371.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>How many of those are for nonmilitary applications? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That's not what you asked. You pretended that there are only 3 countries with a space program. You were proven wrong. Do your own research if you want to know more, maybe that will keep you from typing nonsense. <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Romania?  Seriously, come on. You list OMania with anything, you just made it a joke. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> They have a space program and they launched a satellite.  <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Besides,  we need that money to buy submachine guns for the USDA.  Evidently the chickens are in rebellion.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Back to "crap, I said something stupid and got called out on it. Let's make a funny" mode then...<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830205.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ce76047a480307c534bc9209605a05c5.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830076.page"><b>Fafnir wrote:</b></a><br/>Considering that we live in an era where a huge amount of technology we use every day is directly descended from the space race, I'd say it was money well spent.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Like what again?    Don't say GPS: thats military. </div></blockquote><br /> Not getting it up there. And all the com. satellites we have.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b9b75bf87cf5cbee8ee9368bd64fa6c9.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830309.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/><font color='red'>Austria, Belgium, Czech, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway,</font><font color='yellow'>Poland</font>, <font color='red'>Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span>,</font> Costa Rica, Mexico, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Venezuela, Brazil, Bolivia, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Singapore, Australia, Thailand, Hungary, <font color='red'>Iran, Israel, Japan</font>, Kazakhstan,  <font color='red'>North Korea, South Korea, India</font>, Lithuania, Egypt, Argentina, Indonesia, <font color='red'>Ukraine</font>, Taiwan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Romania, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam.<br /> <br /> I highlighted the relevant countries if you want to go ahead and move the goal post to "who can launch into space".</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Poland cannot into space!<br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830205.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> And yet with the exception of Russia, the US, and a now expansionist China, how many nations have a space program?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b9b75bf87cf5cbee8ee9368bd64fa6c9.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830309.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/><font color='red'>Austria, Belgium, Czech, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span>,</font> Costa Rica, Mexico, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Venezuela, Brazil, Bolivia, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Singapore, Australia, Thailand, Hungary, <font color='red'>Iran, Israel, Japan</font>, Kazakhstan,  <font color='red'>North Korea, South Korea, India</font>, Lithuania, Egypt, Argentina, Indonesia, <font color='red'>Ukraine</font>, Taiwan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Romania, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam.<br /> <br /> I highlighted the relevant countries if you want to go ahead and move the goal post to &quot;who can launch into space&quot;. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830371.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>How many of those are for nonmilitary applications? <br /> Romania?  Seriously, come on. You list OMania with anything, you just made it a joke. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Asks a question &gt; gets a direct and comprehensive answer = Calls the answer a joke.<br /> <br /> Frazzled Logic.  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Cool, then the mighty astronautical juggernauts that are Lithuania and Romania can do it without us. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830471.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Cool, then the mighty astronautical juggernauts that are Lithuania and Romania can do it without us. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> No-one called them astronautical juggernauts.<br /> <br /> You asked for countries that have space programs.<br /> You were told the countries that have space programs.<br /> <br /> If you wanted a more specific answer, of countries with strong space programs comparable to the likes of USA, Russia and China then perhaps you should have specified that.<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830471.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Cool, then the mighty astronautical juggernauts that are Lithuania and Romania can do it without us. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think you are exaggerating our technological superiority.  Our government can't even build a health insurance website for $700 million.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'll agree on that.  <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830501.page"><b>dereksatkinson wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830471.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Cool, then the mighty astronautical juggernauts that are Lithuania and Romania can do it without us. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think you are exaggerating our technological superiority.  Our government can't even build a health insurance website for $700 million.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Come on we all know thats justa  front for spending for the NSA and SHIELD.  No one could screw up a website and make it cost $700mm that badly...could they?  <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/b3ae9cf68ec71745d6b110374d581299.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830503.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>I'll agree on that.  <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830501.page"><b>dereksatkinson wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830471.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Cool, then the mighty astronautical juggernauts that are Lithuania and Romania can do it without us. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think you are exaggerating our technological superiority.  Our government can't even build a health insurance website for $700 million.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Come on we all know thats justa  front for spending for the NSA and SHIELD.  No one could screw up a website and make it cost $700mm that badly...could they?  <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/b3ae9cf68ec71745d6b110374d581299.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Three letters...<br /> <br /> N.H.S.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b9b75bf87cf5cbee8ee9368bd64fa6c9.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830309.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> <font color='red'>Austria, Belgium, Czech, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span>,</font> Costa Rica, Mexico, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Venezuela, Brazil, Bolivia, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Singapore, Australia, Thailand, Hungary, <font color='red'>Iran, Israel, Japan</font>, Kazakhstan,  <font color='red'>North Korea, South Korea, India</font>, Lithuania, Egypt, Argentina, Indonesia, <font color='red'>Ukraine</font>, Taiwan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Romania, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is an exhaustive and  accurate answer. To add to this, the first 20 nations are members of ESA, in collaboration with 11 other partners, which provides them all with autonomous launch capability provided by a single agency. Multinational cooperation reduces overlap in capabilities and increase efficient spending which is essential in a time of limited budgets. That's why the breach in trust by Putin's embargo is so harmful. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ce76047a480307c534bc9209605a05c5.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/594878/6830076.page"><b>Fafnir wrote:</b></a><br/>Considering that we live in an era where a huge amount of technology we use every day is directly descended from the space race, I'd say it was money well spent.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Like what again?    Don't say GPS: thats military. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Velcro was seen as impractical until used in Astronaut suits, so I think it counts even if it's not a direct result from the space race but if not: early laptops for the shuttle program, cordless vacuum (cleaners) for the Apollo missions, smoke detectors, joysticks, <br /> <br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies</a><br /> <br /> Not bad for all that money <i>wasted</i>.<br /> <br /> M.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Tang  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> Throw in<br /> <br /> Advance Avionics<br /> Advance computing computers<br /> <br /> GPS was not NASA endeavor<br /> <br /> Advance lifting platform. Rocket to Shuttle<br /> Communications<br /> <br /> Off the top of my head without Wiki]]></description>
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