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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Warp Charges for Marine Armies"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Warp Charges for Marine Armies GK, Daemons, and Eldar.

How would you beef up a Marine army to increase the number of warp charges?

As Librarians are quite expensive, one could think about Inquisitors, Psykers from Henchmen detachments. Something overlooked?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6919703.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6919703.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies SM:

-Tigurius and either another stock libby or as mentioned some allied inquisition or GK

-You could go Sentinels of Terra and give your libby the Bones of Ozrak (+1 WC and reroll failed Psy tests)

For DAs:

-Ezekiel and more lvl 2 libbies, since they have access to Divination I don't know if I'd wanna ally]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6919759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6919759.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6919852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6919852.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies
So for example each die goes from 50% to 75% chance of being casted. So now they have a 16.6 chance of deny per die. So they need to burn roughly 4.5 dice per one of yours to stop a cast. instead of the 3 dice normally per casting die]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6920524.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6920524.page GMT Re:Warp Charges for Marine Armies ML threshold the only real way is to get GK, Inquisition, Chaos Daemons, or Eldar as allies. The reason that the 9 WC threshold matter is that to block an opponent out of the psychic phase 50% of the time a deny the witch pool has to be 8+3*(your mastery level). So the sort of optimal level for most psyker builds seems to be ~30-35 WC. This means if you want to be able to get off at least 50% of your powers against a psyker heavy build you will need 9 WC.

Now the great thing about SM psykers is that most of them are useful apart from their powers. The special character usually have great stat lines or special abilities which buff your army. The basic libby can take useful wargear and make an AM blob ATSKNF.

The cheapest way to increase WC is ML1 Inquisitors (55pts) with 3 psyker henchmen (18pts). This is also the most flimsy and least useful.

The most useful WC batteries are Coteaz (100pts) and GK psyker henchmen (18pts) in psybacks. The henchmen and psybacks are all objective secured. The WC are still seriously cheap and they are BB with SM. You should see a huge number of this type of army as they are just brutally useful.

CWE have three cheap sources of WC. The farseer is a great value per ML and the warlocks and spiritseers are both just slightly worse but can be taken in numbers. As an ally the spiritseers are the only real game for WC sources as warlocks require CWE to be primary. You can then take some dire avengers and objective secured waveserpent to stick them in. This can give you 10 WC from a single HQ slot using iyanden rules and two serpents which are brutal game winning murder machines.

Chaos Daemons are a decent source of WC but their real benefit is giving access to malefic without murdering themselves with perils. This is the best way I have found to represent the Blood Ravens going traitor in DoW2. They clearly are not represented well by the CSM codex and make more sense using the SM dex with daemon allies.

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ansacs wrote:
Chaos Daemons are a decent source of WC but their real benefit is giving access to malefic without murdering themselves with perils. This is the best way I have found to represent the Blood Ravens going traitor in DoW2. They clearly are not represented well by the CSM codex and make more sense using the SM dex with daemon allies.

Traitor BRs eh?

Let me make a list for that...

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Here's the list i promised (using my custom CTs), good for 2000 pts. and with 11 WCs

Spoiler:

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6921355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6921355.page GMT Re:Warp Charges for Marine Armies Today I ran a 2000 point list which also included an Ordos Heriticus inquisitor(mastery 1) and a 5 man Grey Knight Strike Squad. I played a game against Daemons, and consistantly had more warp charge then he did(his heralds were in reserve, and as such only had two or three psykers on the table at a time)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6921939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6921939.page GMT Re:Warp Charges for Marine Armies WC produced turn 1 and a very good chance to generate a few possessions. It will also be relatively resistant to alpha strikes.

Spoiler:

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wuestenfux wrote:

How would you beef up a Marine army to increase the number of warp charges?

Why would you want to?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6923145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6923145.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies

DarknessEternal wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

How would you beef up a Marine army to increase the number of warp charges?

Why would you want to?

Out of curiosity.

Casting or negating outstanding powers like invisibility or fortune could be game changing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6923161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6923161.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies WC with AM allies via 3 primaris psykers and one Astropath. Not sure this is most cost effective.

So going chaos, eldar, GK, demons isn't necessary to break 9 WC. Heck throw in Coteaz and a generic inq and you're at 10 already from just allies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6923261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6923261.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies

wuestenfux wrote:

Casting or negating outstanding powers like invisibility or fortune could be game changing.

How many hundreds of points do you really want to spend fishing for such a possibility though?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6927905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6927905.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6928196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6928196.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies FOC you can get 11 with BA. 3 librarian dreads, mephy and a lvl2 libby.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6928542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6928542.page GMT Warp Charges for Marine Armies

DarknessEternal wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

Casting or negating outstanding powers like invisibility or fortune could be game changing.

How many hundreds of points do you really want to spend fishing for such a possibility though?

Well for 18 points I can get one roll on telepathy as well as psychic shriek. Throw it in a rhino with dozer for an extra 45. Now you are looking at 63 for two mark charges and a roll on telepathy. 3-4 of those units and you got good shots at invis.

It seems like a lot of tournaments will be going double CAD so I am now starting to plan around that assumption.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6928792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/599882/6928792.page GMT