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Another shooting into melee rules

Mezmerro — GMT

OK first things first. Shooting into melee is a bad thing. The guys that had just being shot at wouldn't take it light.
So:

First:
After declaring shooting into melee, all friendly units in that melee (same detachment and Battle Brothers) must pass a Ld test or treat the unit that shoot at them as Desperate Allies till the end of the game.
Allies of Convenience instead treat the unit that shoot them and all other units in that detachment as DA, and all other AoC that can draw LoS to both shooter squad and shot units from their detachment must pass Ld test or turn DA too.
Desperate Allies and Come the Apocalypse that being shot in melee receive -1 penalty to their One Eye open checks (this is not cumulative), as well as all other DA and CtA that can draw LoS to both shooter squad and shot units from their detachment.

Second: for each successful to-hit roll (not auto-hits from templates, blasts and linemakers), roll D6+-.
Model size:
Swarms (regardless of their rules): 0
Normal: 1
Bulky: 2
Very bulky: 3
Extremely Bulky: 5
Walker: 5
Superheavy Walker: 7
Gargantuan Creature: 7

If enemy models outnumber allied models 2 to 1, shooter also gain +1 modifier to this roll, and another +1 for 3 to1,

On 4+ it hits the target, otherwise it hits closest allied model in that melee instead. Natural one always means friendly hit, natural six - enemy hit.

For example, Terminator squad is locked in combat with ork boys. To shoot boys marine player must roll 5+ because Terminators are bulky (size 2), while ork player must only roll 3+ to allocate his hits on terminators. Although if ork boys outnumber terminators 3 to 1 (like the should) marine player receive +2 modifier to his friendly fire roll, to 3+.

Another shooting into melee rules

curran12 — GMT

I...am completely confused just looking at this. I don't see this adding anything but a very clunky table and more delay to a game.

Another shooting into melee rules

Mezmerro — GMT

curran12 wrote:
I...am completely confused just looking at this. I don't see this adding anything but a very clunky table and more delay to a game.

Well, it have a clunky rules, but in practice it just would be one ld check and one extra dice roll between to-hit and to-wound/pen - not much more time consuming than a FNP

Another shooting into melee rules

ChapertMasterRagnaValick — GMT

Shooting into close combat is IMO pointless but since so many people what to do it how about you keep it simple.

1.You declare you combat you are shooting into

2. Then you role to hit just as if you where making a regular shooting attack (you can still use blast and template weapons)

3. Role to wound using the average toughness of all the models in the close combat.

4. remove the models closeted to the the shooting unit (weather friendly or foe) you can claim cover from being obscured but cannot go to ground.

5. the friendly unit must now fallow all rules as if it was chosen from an ailed detachment that is come the apocalypses

Re:Another shooting into melee rules

Blacksails — GMT

The proposed rule is absurdly complex and not a little confusing. Plus, its still a net benefit to shooting oriented armies and furthers the usefulness of cheap meatshields to protect large investments, like Knights.

I don't see a way this idea can be reasonably implemented for all factions without causing further balance issues and/or increasing the bloat of the already bloated core rulebook. You either make it too simple and therefore comically awesome for any army with access to cheap horde units and strong shooting, or you make it too complex to mitigate that and end up with a mess of a rule that is still a benefit to armies with cheap hordes and strong shooting.

Another shooting into melee rules

spiralingcadaver — GMT

Yeah, I like the concept, dislike the execution.

What about:

Shooting into combat requires a Ld check.

If anything causes rolls to hit to be modified, everything is rolled with the worst penalty.

For each hit, roll to see which side is hit. If the side has multiple unit/vehicle/monstrous creature/non-attached independent character/etc., roll to see which is hit. Within squads, hits are allocated like normal.

Blasts always scatter.

Wounds against the allied unit(s) count towards combat resolution for the ensuing melee.

If one side is wiped out, the other is pinned for the turn.

In short, random, penalty for the attacker, no unusual bookkeeping outside of the turn, no special/circumstantial modifiers. Chances are even between sides to be hit.