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				<description><![CDATA[ <b><i>Ultramarines</i></b><br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-</b> Marneus Calgar with Armour of Antilochus = 285 <br /> Tigurius = 165 <br /> 4x Honour Guard with Chapter Banner = 135 <br /> <br /> <b>Troops- </b>Tactical Squad with flamer, missile launcher and Rhino = 195 <br /> Tactical Squad with flamer, heavy bolter and Rhino = 190 <br /> Tactical Squad with meltagun, multimelta, combi-melta and Drop Pod = 205<br /> <br /> <b>Elites- </b>Terminator Assault Squad with 5x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, with Land Raider Crusader with multimelta = 485<br /> 10x Sternguard with 2x combi-melta, 2x combi-plasma, heavy flamer and Drop Pod with locator beacon = 325 <br /> <br /> <b>Fast Attack- </b>Stormtalon Gunship with skyhammer missile launcher = 125 <br /> <br /> <b>Heavy Support- </b>Vindicator = 125 <br /> Vindicator = 125 <br /> Centurion Squad with 3x grav-cannons and omniscope = 260<br /> <br /> <b><i>Grey Knights Detachment</b></i><br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- </b>ML1 Ordo Malleus Inquisitor in Terminator Armour with psycannon = 110 <br /> <br /> <b>Troops- </b>Terminator Squad with 3x halberds, 2x daemonhammers and psycannon = 225<br /> <br /> <b><i>Total: 2955 </i></b>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:45:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Sgt_Smudge]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There are bits and pieces that I like about this army, and I can see where you're going with it. <br /> <br /> That said, I have some thoughts, in no particular order than what I saw - <br /> <br /> 1. I really don't think relic blades are worth the points, especially considering they sacrifice the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> value. Personally I'd drop and put them elsewhere, perhaps in more honour guard.<br /> <br /> 2. Drop Pods - Only spotted two. Odd numbers of pods are better at producing a greater Alpha Strike, especially when you have 3, where 2/3 come in. I'd suggest your have one more pod, from the melta <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad or stick them all in rhinos.<br /> <br /> 3. What's the plan with the Centurions? I imagine they're doubled up with Tig, but if they're going on foot with only 24" range, they'll likely be a target.<br /> <br /> 4. Calgar, same as the Centurions. More 2+ Armour, but a likely target without a transport.<br /> <br /> 5. One vindicator? Likely to be targetted and killed early on. Recommend dropping it or swapping the predator for another one.<br /> <br /> 6. I can't comment on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> really, but I'd suggest that Marneus and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(337);'>HG</span> have that role covered, from the looks of them. Personally, I'd allocate those elsewhere.<br /> <br /> 7. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span>. Now in smaller games, a Talon would be enough (arguably). But in 3k, I'd suggest one more at the very least. If not a Raven.<br /> <br /> All together - my 2 pence.<br /> <br /> Ultramarines<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Marneus Calgar with Armour of Antilochus = 285<br /> Tigurius = 165<br /> 5x Honour Guard and Chapter Banner, with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> Redeemer with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> = 405<br /> <br /> Troops- Tactical Squad with flamer, Melta bomb, drop Pod = 190<br /> Tactical Squad with flamer, heavy bolter and Drop Pod = 190<br /> Tactical Squad with meltagun, multimelta, combi-melta and Drop Pod = 205<br /> <br /> Elites- Terminator Assault Squad with 5x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, with Land Raider Crusader with multimelta = 485<br /> 10x Sternguard with 2x combi-melta, 2x combi-plasma, heavy flamer and Drop Pod  = 315<br /> <br /> Fast Attack- Stormtalon Gunship with skyhammer missile launcher = 125<br /> Stormtalon Gunship with skyhammer missile launcher = 125<br /> <br /> Heavy Support- Vindicator = 125<br /> Vindicator = 125<br /> Centurion Squad with 3x grav-cannons and omniscope = 260<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:35:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tigurius]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Seconded.  All good feedback.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:54:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ phoenix darkus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the great replies!<br /> Will drop relic blades, save points there!<br /> Predator to Vindicator is good too, will do!<br /> Calgar is in the Land Raider Crusader with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> Termies.<br /> Sternguard drop in and secure the objective, but the Tacticals would drop to support other aspects of my force where they are struggling. They weren't made for Alpha Strike.<br /> I like having the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> for fluff and for the extra Terminatpr Armour/psychic powers.<br /> What to do with the spare points?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:24:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Sgt_Smudge]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Another Talon, if you can fit.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Tigurius]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Any idea of where to free up 80 points to do that? I could drop the locator beacon, multimelta and omniscope to make some room, but that's still 50pts to go.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:22:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Sgt_Smudge]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What's your updated list?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:12:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tigurius]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The updated list is the first one I posted! <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:31:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Sgt_Smudge]]></author>
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