http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Cheiftain, BSB and shield 72pt

Clanrats x30, shield and spear (?) 150pt
Clanrats x28, shield and spear (?)(bsb and warlord here) 140pt

Slaves x40, musician 82pt
Slaves x40, musician 82pt

Rat ogres x2 with packmaster, 88pt

HPA, spikes 250pt

Any pointers? Switch HPA with seer and dump warlord?
Still Have 40pt left, drop a Clanrat for engineer with doomrocket?

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Warlord is a good choice in low points games. You have he kitted out decently but might want to give him a ward save.

The chieftain needs a ward save, most people like the talisman of preservation for a 4+ ward save for 45 points.
You should include at least 1 engineer with either a dispel scroll and lvl1 wizard OR engineer with a doom rocket for a cool 45 points for option b.

Drop spears on the clanrats you don't need them. Its better to have the parry save with just hand weapon and shield than extra rank of attacks.
I would also drop the rat ogres. To many points and will probably die, its pretty well documented that they aren't very good lol

Hellpit doesn't need the spikes. I don't think you should bring it at 1000 points since you could bring 2 cannons and have room for a nice big unit of plague monks or something. It is an awesome model and unit tho so if you want you can take it.


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Edit: by dropping the hpa, and the ogres you could potentially bring a unit of 40 plague monks with plague banner for 335 points with musicaian and banner (if my math is right). But then you can't take a cannon so idk lol don't play much 1000 points games anymore tho.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7114033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7114033.page GMT thx
Just included the ogres cause i got the in the deal when i bought all other rats

Havent the cash now for wlc but i do have a monster ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7114194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7114194.page GMT LD buff so they don't scatter as easily.
If you eventually plan to add shooty to your army, then this plan doesn't work anymore, because if you add a warlock, you can no longer shoot into the slaves. other then that, listen to the other guy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7114404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7114404.page GMT LD tests with your bsb.

Well use whatever you have model wise for now until you get the cash to buy other stuff. I don't want to suggest all kinds of stuff when you don't have the stuff to use lol but you'll get there!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7115490.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7115490.page GMT What would you thanks of this list?

Grey seer
240pt
Warlord, enchanted shield, halberd, addititional weapon
106pt
Cheiftain, BSB, ToP
87pt

Clanrats x28, shields (grey and bsb here?)
126pt
Clanrats x30, shields (warlord here for fighting unit?)
135pt
Slaves x40, musician
82pt
Slaves x40, musician
82pt
Warp lightning cannon (crew included?? Cant find an answer...)
90pt
Warplock engineer, doomrocket
45pt

Dump warlord for other units? Other suggestions?


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*what would you think...*
Stupid phone..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7124481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7124481.page GMT

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*No more pointers.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7126970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7126970.page GMT I wouldn't take a grey seer for 1000 points because it has no saves.

If you want a fighting unit you can either go with a unit of 30-40 stormvermin or 35+ plague monks. If your opponent is cool with tit you could proxy them using clanrats models.

Clanrats aren't very killy. Warp fire thrower is nice to bring with them tho for some extra umpfh. They can move independently tho.

Yes the crew is included in the warp fire thrower.


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I'll whip a 1000 point list for you in the next day or so and post it here for a standard list to get to know the army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7128035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7128035.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7128099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7128099.page GMT You would place your chieftain and engineer (who would be your general) in the clanrats unit. Put them behind the stormvermin and have the slaves beside them. Use the Giant rats as redirectors as well.

I put in 2 warp lightning cannons cause at this points level they are amazing. I would wait till later to put in your hellpit but you could switch some points around to have him in there but it I'd a big investment at this points level and if someone brings anything with flaming attacks he will die quick.


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1000.5 points

+ (No Category) + (46pts)

* Giant Rats (23pts)
5x Giant Rats, Packmaster

* Giant Rats (23pts)
5x Giant Rats, Packmaster


+ Heroes + (207pts)

* Chieftain (117pts)
Battle Standard Bearer, Halberd, Talisman of Preservation

* Warlock Engineer (90pts)
Dispel Scroll, Skaven Spells of Ruin, Wizard Level 1


+ Core + (567.5pts)

* Clanrats (112.5pts)
* 25x Clanrats
25x Shield

* Skavenslaves (82pts)
Musician, 40x Skavenslaves

* Skavenslaves (82pts)
Musician, 40x Skavenslaves

* Stormvermin (291pts)
Musician, Razor Standard, Standard Bearer, 33x Stormvermin


+ Rare + (180pts)

* Warp Lightning Cannon (90pts)

* Warp Lightning Cannon (90pts)
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- agreed on most of the above points. The one I'll add on to is spears. An extra rank of attacks is, more or less, about as good as a Parry save. But since those extra attacks also cost more, better to leave them at home.

- this deserves a little emphasis: 5 Giant Rats and 1 Packmaster (deployed 2 wide and 3 deep, the "Rat Dart" formation) is an incredible unit. 23pts, a tiny footprint, M6...it's amazing chaff. Really amazing stuff, right here. They are usually my MVP's.

- at 1000pts, I've found I can leave magic behind entirely and do quite well. My opponent doesn't usually bring a lvl4, and if he does, it's such a huge investment that I outnumber him 3:1 or more.
That, and...Doomrocket. Best thing in our book. If it lands on target, it's won me several 1000pt games. And when it doesn't, it's only 30pts.

- Skavenslaves are amazing. But at this level, I've found that you just don't need more than one big block. One bus of 40-50 is all I generally need.

- Rat Ogres are indeed not that great. But in small games, 2 of them can bring the pain to other small units. Still, they're hard to use effectively.

- the Abomination does less damage than two Cannons, but he's considerably more reliable, too.
Even against Flaming Attacks, he's still T5 W6. He does a lot of damage. A lot of it.

- Skaven are one of the few armies that can field a Lord at 1000pts. A Warlord with the Foul Pendant and a halberd is 123pts, and brings WS6 S5 A4 L7 to the table. I've had great success with him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7136068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/610287/7136068.page GMT