<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Opening a tabletop and videogaming tavern in NorCal."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/54.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Opening a tabletop and videogaming tavern in NorCal. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/722215538/save-point-tavern and if you have the inclination, please help out by pledging or sharing the word.

Even if you're not in NorCal and have no intention to visit, the gamer community needs to stick together, so help a fellow geek out! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151472.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151472.page GMT Opening a tabletop and videogaming tavern in NorCal. FLGS), if THIS is something you are actually relying on for funding, you really ought to look at your business plan, and realize that basically any bank (outside of a mob bank) will turn you down for a loan, if this is your "reliable" starting income.


I do wish you the best of luck... how are you going to balance the "serving beer" aspect against the "playing table top games" ??]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151606.page GMT Re:Opening a tabletop and videogaming tavern in NorCal.
1) You're depending on community generosity instead of a solid business plan. If you have a viable business plan for a store/tavern that will still be in business once your initial funding runs out then you should be able to get business loans from a bank and shouldn't need to ask for people to donate money. The fact that you are asking for help suggests that your business plan isn't very good and you won't be able to pay for everything out of the money you're bringing in from sales.

2) You're presenting this as a case of "gamers sticking together". That's not what this is. You aren't a charity providing help to people in genuine need, you're a for-profit business trying to put extra money in your pockets. So please don't try to pretend otherwise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151638.page GMT Re:Opening a tabletop and videogaming tavern in NorCal.
 Peregrine wrote:
Well, at least you did a little better than the last "help me fund my game store" person and figured out that you need to offer rewards in exchange for up-front funding instead of just begging for charity donations. But you're still making two mistakes:

1) You're depending on community generosity instead of a solid business plan. If you have a viable business plan for a store/tavern that will still be in business once your initial funding runs out then you should be able to get business loans from a bank and shouldn't need to ask for people to donate money. The fact that you are asking for help suggests that your business plan isn't very good and you won't be able to pay for everything out of the money you're bringing in from sales.

2) You're presenting this as a case of "gamers sticking together". That's not what this is. You aren't a charity providing help to people in genuine need, you're a for-profit business trying to put extra money in your pockets. So please don't try to pretend otherwise.


Gamers sticking together? Clearly he hasn't visited YMDC. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151657.page GMT Re:Opening a tabletop and videogaming tavern in NorCal.
Our business plan, which we keep private due to Kickstarter backers being pledge-supporters and not classic investors, certainly allows for both success and failure of the Kickstarter. I think your assertion that our business plan isn't very good as a result of using Kickstarter is...reductive, at best. With that said, your feedback is definitely helpful, at least in showing me that the tack of "gamers united" can seem disingenuous to some. It's certainly not our intention to imply that we're not a for-profit business - I think the vast majority of Kickstarter campaigners are such, and the website is a tool to involve interested patrons earlier and in a more intimate way in the process than they otherwise might be.

@ Ensis: Depending on the time of day and the day of the week, our focus will shift from being a "bar with games" to a "gaming bar." Key demographics go to bars at certain times, and our business plan accounts for that accordingly. If your question is referring literally to the problem of having beer (and drunk people) near board games, there's a certain amount of turnover in games we expect and have budgeted.

Good stuff guys, and thanks for the feedback. I'd rather see blunt wariness than simplistic gung-ho shouts any day.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7151892.page GMT Opening a tabletop and videogaming tavern in NorCal. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7152426.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/612292/7152426.page GMT