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WS:4
BS:4
S:4
T:4
W:1
I:4
A:1
L:8

Unit Composition: 5 models [100 Points]
Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear: Power Armor, Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades

Special Rules: Boltgun Brawlers, Shield Bash
(Boltgun Brawlers: Thunder Warriors equipped with a Boltgun gain +1 attack and may assault in the same turn they fire a boltgun.)
(Shield Bash: Models equipped with a Combat Shield, Boarding Shield or Storm Shield gain Hammer of Wrath)

The Thunder Warrior squad may take:

Up to five additional Thunder Warriors +20 points per model
One Thunder Warrior may be upgraded to a Sergeant for +20 Points (+1 Leadership, +1 attack)

The Entire Squad may take:

Re-forged Combat Blades +20 Points (Rending)
Boarding Shields +20 Points
Tonitrus Bolt Pistols +20 Points
Artificer Armor +50 Points

The entire squad may be given any of the following upgrades:
Stim Injectors: +30 Points (5+ Fnp)
Cardio-Vascular Augmentation: +40 Points (Fleet, Crusader)
Re-forged Adamantium Skeleton: +50 Points (+1 Toughness, +1 Wound, Bulky, -1 initiative)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7176243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7176243.page GMT Thunder Warrior troop choice (Aspiring to create a Fandex)
For about the third of a cost of 10 Space Marines, you have guys that get more attacks, same stats, same armor, can break the rapid fire rules on assault. And all of this before any of the other insanely undercosted and/or overpowered additions you can buy for them.

Actually, for the same cost as 10 Tac marines, you get 10 T5, W2 Tac Marines that assault better and break the rapid fire rules.

Back to the drawing board. Not sure where the heck you're getting this stuff, but there's nothing close to balance or reasonable costing here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7176481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7176481.page GMT Re:Thunder Warrior troop choice (Aspiring to create a Fandex) atsknf, legiones astartes, combat blades, bolt pistols, special weapons choices, heavy weapon choices, unit composition choices and a dedicated transport. As it stands their special rules options are slightly undercosted, but aren't back breaking
keeping in line with the train of thought that these are meant to be better than spacemarines, at 100 points for ten, with a max squad size of ten, these rules aren't over powered.


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They lack chapter tactics as well. This is intended to be their only troop choice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7177095.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7177095.page GMT Thunder Warrior troop choice (Aspiring to create a Fandex)
For about the third of a cost of 10 Space Marines, you have guys that get more attacks, same stats, same armor, can break the rapid fire rules on assault. And all of this before any of the other insanely undercosted and/or overpowered additions you can buy for them.


Re-costed

Actually, for the same cost as 10 Tac marines, you get 10 T5, W2 Tac Marines that assault better and break the rapid fire rules.


They don't "Break" the rapid fire rules. Tf they can assault after firing a boltgun, its a 12" Assault two boltgun or a 24" assault 1 boltgun.

Back to the drawing board. Not sure where the heck you're getting this stuff, but there's nothing close to balance or reasonable costing here


Using Ovions unit pricing, +1 Toughness and Wounds is only worth 20 points a model, since its a troop choice you divide that by five, giving you a 50 point upgrade for ten models.

FnP 5+ is only worth 30 points for 10 troop models.

Fleet and Crusader are worth 40 points for 10 troop models.

This isn't ridiculous pricing, it is slightly under costed yeah, but nothing extreme.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7177625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7177625.page GMT Thunder Warrior troop choice (Aspiring to create a Fandex, criticism wanted please)
 Clefty wrote:
Thunder Warriors

WS:4
BS:4
S:4
T:4
W:1
A:1
L:8

Unit Composition: 10 models [150 Points]
Unit Type: Infantry
Wargear: Power Armor, Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades

Special Rules: Boltgun Brawlers, Cold, Hard, Steel
(Boltgun Brawlers: Thunder Warriors equipped with a Boltgun gain +1 attack and may assault in the same turn they fire a boltgun.)
(Cold, Hard, Steel: Close combat attacks made by a model with a Combat Blade have the rending special rule.)

The Entire Squad may take:
Tonitrus Bolt Shells +10 Points (Boltgun str +1)
Combat Blades +10 Points
Tonitrus Bolt Pistols +20 Points (Str 5 ap 4 Bolt pistols)
Artifice Armor +50 Points

The entire squad may be given any of the following upgrades:
Stim Injectors: +30 Points (5+ Fnp)
Cardio-Vascular Augmentation: +40 Points (Fleet, Crusader)
Re-forged Adamantium Skeleton: +50 Points (+1 Toughness, +1 Wound, Bulky)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7181923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7181923.page GMT Thunder Warrior troop choice (Aspiring to create a Fandex) You can use this to increase their strength, making them more different to spacemarines.

Update, and perhaps even give them T5.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7185107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7185107.page GMT Re:Thunder Warrior troop choice updated (Aspiring to create a Fandex, needs criticism) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7186944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7186944.page GMT Thunder Warrior troop choice updated (Aspiring to create a Fandex, needs criticism) Where is the Initiative stat ?

And why don't you just give combat blade Rending ? It is much simpler than giving the model Cold, Hard Steel.
And maybe the point cost for combat blade is too cheap. How about 3 points/model ?

Are there any options to take additional models and/or a Sergeant ? IIRC, in the Horus Heresy book, Legion Squad can take up to 20 models.

Reforged Adamantium Skeleton should also give them a -1, heck, maybe even -2 Initiative penalty.Also, in the fluff, the armour of the TW is not totally powered (the leg parts are just very heavily armoured) so I think the reduced Initiative is justified.

Remove the option for artificer armour. It is somewhat hard to say, but isn't it only reserved for the elite of the elite of SM and Thunder Warriors ? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7187286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/613705/7187286.page GMT