Furyou Miko wrote:

Noise Marines, yes, you can become a Noise Marine - unlike the Thousand Sons, the Noise Marines are just Chaos Marines devoted to Slaanesh who have acquired a fetish for sonic weaponry.

 Rippy wrote:
A lot of the Desth Guard could still be considered a legion.

Again, Khorne berserkers are just berserkers who are followers of Khorne. Any blood thirsty marine could become one. Does that mean they will get a helmet like the World Eaters? Nope.

When you paint plague marines, you can make them desth guard, or a warband of some other chapter who fell to nurgle.

With the "all of a sudden will I have tenticles"? Sometimes. Sometimes the "gifts" of the chaos gods can cause you to mutate out of control, becoming a "Chaos Spawn". Most mutations happen over time though.

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
A lot of the Desth Guard could still be considered a legion.

Again, Khorne berserkers are just berserkers who are followers of Khorne. Any blood thirsty marine could become one. Does that mean they will get a helmet like the World Eaters? Nope.

When you paint plague marines, you can make them desth guard, or a warband of some other chapter who fell to nurgle.

With the "all of a sudden will I have tenticles"? Sometimes. Sometimes the "gifts" of the chaos gods can cause you to mutate out of control, becoming a "Chaos Spawn". Most mutations happen over time though.

Perfect.


Thank you both for answering my questions.

 Rippy wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
A lot of the Desth Guard could still be considered a legion.

Again, Khorne berserkers are just berserkers who are followers of Khorne. Any blood thirsty marine could become one. Does that mean they will get a helmet like the World Eaters? Nope.

When you paint plague marines, you can make them desth guard, or a warband of some other chapter who fell to nurgle.

With the "all of a sudden will I have tenticles"? Sometimes. Sometimes the "gifts" of the chaos gods can cause you to mutate out of control, becoming a "Chaos Spawn". Most mutations happen over time though.

Perfect.


Thank you both for answering my questions.

No worries.
One other thing, I am pretty sure every chapter is susceptible to falling to Chaos, though only the Grey Knights have no recorded members falling. So any Space Marine, or it's chapter as a whole, is susceptible to the wills of Chaos. And to be honest, why would you deny the calls of the Grandfather Nurgle?

 Rippy wrote:
On what Scourged said, your guys could just turn Renegade, as opposed to chaos. Become disgruntled with the Emporer/Imperium, greed, opportunity, there is many reasons a chapter may turn away.

Spetulhu wrote:


Huron and his Astral Claws are a perfect example. They went to Chaos only after the Imperium put the hammer down on their mostly pride-related indiscretions.

 Ond Angel wrote:
Thank you all. I didn't expect people to still be posting.

I'm quite happy, honestly.

Rippy wrote:You would have to find the reason they fell. Did they seek eternal life? Do they fear their chapter brothers dying? Did Nurgle trick the legion by befouling them with a terrible malady they couldn't escape, the only option swearing fealty to Him. Either way they become his eternal army that feels no pain even though they are left looking like zombies, with maggots maggots riggling just underneath their skin, terrible boils exploding infectious puss, disgusting bile leaking and spitting from their mouths, a halo of flies following their every movements.
That last one is basically how the Death Guard fell. Calas Typhon (now Typhus the Traveller) tricked Mortarion in to killing their navigators, making them get lost in the warp, were Nurgle infected them with a horrible diesese. Mortarion swore fealty to Nurgle in exchange for stopping his legions pain. It was Typhon's trickery that made it so the Death Guard never made it the Horus' invasion of earth, which is why they are still more of a legion.

Some of the fluff so far is that the age-old relic of the chapter, named Asura, is possessed by a Daemon. It's been dormant and either the previous owners were unaware, or didn't care to say a thing. (leaving it as an ominous "how long has it been known" type scenario). The current leader, Gadreel*, has noticed whispers of sorts in the back of his mind that constantly disturb him (signs of the Daemon awakening). He's not told anyone, but Gadreel's closest friend, and chief librarian Azazel, has noticed something is "off".

I haven't fleshed out an awful amount of fluff for their fall to chaos, as I'm still working on the loyalist side and a homebrew supplement, but it eventually leads to Gadreel falling to chaos, as the Daemon shows him the truths of the imperium, with Azazel staying loyal to his friend over the imperium, and they slowly corrupt the chapter. Those that didn't follow them were "dealt with", including some named characters. So not just the "red shirts".

Scourged wrote:I don't know if it helps, but keep in mind that the chapter doesn't have to necessarily turn to Chaos to turn against the Imperium.

For whatever reason (imperialism, politics, pursuit from a rogue Inquisitor, bad advice from the Eldar, etc.) the chapter may decide that the Imperium is not the bees-knees they were told it was, and that the Emperor might have a flaw or two. So, they turn against the Imperium (see: Night Lords, Red Corsairs, many others).

Only problem with being renegade is the lack of resources. So, more and more they embrace Chaos just to keep themselves alive and functional. Then, little by little, more and more individuals embrace the various Dark Gods and their gifts. Maybe just one god, maybe staying undivided. Reduce to a simmer and cover for a couple centuries and voila! Chaos marines.

This makes me think maybe they don't have to fall to chaos. They could just give the finger to the Imperium of Man and to Chaos.

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?
That's a thing that I feel would put my chapter off of going to chaos: the mutating.

Unless they all got to be Daemon Princes.
I don't think anyone minds that. (I am kidding, of course)

 Rippy wrote:

Daemons are manifestations of their patron god, so it would be impossible for them to turn their will against them I believe. Maybe they could have been set to turn this chapter against the imperium and then loose them free to do as they please.

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?

troa wrote:The daemon could attempt to get the chapter to worship their god, and the chapter could reject it. If I remember correctly, that somewhat happened to the Soul Drinkers?

You could go along the lines of "they accepted the help (or didn't realize they were being helped), and finally realizing it was chaos manipulating them they rebelled against chaos" perhaps?

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Maybe if then entire leadership were infected and then influenced the entire chapter over a few centuries

But many will still not fall and would have to be purged. Space marines are renowned for their zealous faith in the emperor

 Ond Angel wrote:

troa wrote:The daemon could attempt to get the chapter to worship their god, and the chapter could reject it. If I remember correctly, that somewhat happened to the Soul Drinkers?

You could go along the lines of "they accepted the help (or didn't realize they were being helped), and finally realizing it was chaos manipulating them they rebelled against chaos" perhaps?

Psienesis wrote:

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?

A Daemon of Malal (now called Malice) would suffice. That is the God of Chaos that opposes Chaos. He represents the self-destructive nature of Chaos.

But, yes, exposure to the Warp will eventually cause you to mutate. That's part and parcel of it. Signing a Daemonic Pact will also get you a mutation of some form, at the very least a Mark.

So my options are (so far):
A) Go to Malal/Malice (I've heard of him. I think I need to do a bit of reading)
B) Gain help, knowingly or not, from the Daemon Spirit, and eventually give chaos the middle finger as well as the IoM
C) Continue on my path of "gonna go to Nurgle"

I'll bear the warp and Daemonic Pact things in mind though, thanks.

 Rippy wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

troa wrote:The daemon could attempt to get the chapter to worship their god, and the chapter could reject it. If I remember correctly, that somewhat happened to the Soul Drinkers?

You could go along the lines of "they accepted the help (or didn't realize they were being helped), and finally realizing it was chaos manipulating them they rebelled against chaos" perhaps?

Psienesis wrote:

Making my next question: Is it possible a Daemonic spirit of sorts could be against the Chaos Gods? Maybe it's a Daemon of a lesser Chaos God that doesn't care for the IoM or "Chaos" (as in Tzeentch, Khorne, etc). Or is that still essentially "chaos" and they'd still end up mutating?

A Daemon of Malal (now called Malice) would suffice. That is the God of Chaos that opposes Chaos. He represents the self-destructive nature of Chaos.

But, yes, exposure to the Warp will eventually cause you to mutate. That's part and parcel of it. Signing a Daemonic Pact will also get you a mutation of some form, at the very least a Mark.

So my options are (so far):
A) Go to Malal/Malice (I've heard of him. I think I need to do a bit of reading)
B) Gain help, knowingly or not, from the Daemon Spirit, and eventually give chaos the middle finger as well as the IoM
C) Continue on my path of "gonna go to Nurgle"

I'll bear the warp and Daemonic Pact things in mind though, thanks.

If you went b), you could always have it that when they attempt to shrug off chaos, the demon fully reveals himself, where there is a big battle between demon and your chapter. That is always a fun way to kill off some named characters etc.
c) is the best option, because who can resist the warm hugs of the ever laughing Grandfather Nurgle? He brings new life, with an ever present grin on his face!!!***

***disclaimer, Rippy takes no responsibility for resulting zombification***

 King Pariah wrote:
Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

 Ond Angel wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

How do they do that, exactly?
I gave them a quick read, but nothing that sticks out particularly. Mind, I did check the 40K Wiki.

Another question: Would a Daemon join the ranks of a not-so-loyalist-kinda-chaos army? Not in the sense of serving under them, but to watch them closely and make sure they don't try anything. And would said Daemon fight with them?

Edit: Instead of "Chaos Undivided", would it be possible to serve only a few of the gods, such as Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch, and then just say "Screw you, Khorne!"?

 Rippy wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

How do they do that, exactly?
I gave them a quick read, but nothing that sticks out particularly. Mind, I did check the 40K Wiki.

Another question: Would a Daemon join the ranks of a not-so-loyalist-kinda-chaos army? Not in the sense of serving under them, but to watch them closely and make sure they don't try anything. And would said Daemon fight with them?

Edit: Instead of "Chaos Undivided", would it be possible to serve only a few of the gods, such as Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch, and then just say "Screw you, Khorne!"?

The Purge are a warband whose goal is to wipe out all life. They are dedicated to Nurgle, and been have supported by His daemons, so not sure what he meant by them giving the finger to chaos.

A Daemon could "join their ranks" in the way that he is guiding them down the path to chaos. Maybe he will even take on a dfferenr physical form for a time, choosing the right time to reveal himself. You would still have to work out the chaplains aren't doing anything about it, any easy work around is by twisting your chapters ecclesiarchy cult in to obsessing about a certain ideal, which is held to greater esteem than belief in the emperor, and that then gets exploited. Sorry does that make sense?

Your legion would still be "Chaos undivided" which is more a term for worshipping chaos as a whole as opposed to worshipping all four gods, but they would be undivided followers who hate Khorne. That is fine.

 Rippy wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Looking at the Purge warband, you could end up having a warband that may actively be giving the finger to Chaos and the IoM, but ultimately serves one of the four patron Gods (the Purge's patron god is, coincidentally, Nurgle).

How do they do that, exactly?
I gave them a quick read, but nothing that sticks out particularly. Mind, I did check the 40K Wiki.

Another question: Would a Daemon join the ranks of a not-so-loyalist-kinda-chaos army? Not in the sense of serving under them, but to watch them closely and make sure they don't try anything. And would said Daemon fight with them?

Edit: Instead of "Chaos Undivided", would it be possible to serve only a few of the gods, such as Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch, and then just say "Screw you, Khorne!"?

The Purge are a warband whose goal is to wipe out all life. They are dedicated to Nurgle, and been have supported by His daemons, so not sure what he meant by them giving the finger to chaos.

A Daemon could "join their ranks" in the way that he is guiding them down the path to chaos. Maybe he will even take on a dfferenr physical form for a time, choosing the right time to reveal himself. You would still have to work out the chaplains aren't doing anything about it, any easy work around is by twisting your chapters ecclesiarchy cult in to obsessing about a certain ideal, which is held to greater esteem than belief in the emperor, and that then gets exploited. Sorry does that make sense?

Your legion would still be "Chaos undivided" which is more a term for worshipping chaos as a whole as opposed to worshipping all four gods, but they would be undivided followers who hate Khorne. That is fine.