Warpsolution wrote:
To clarify: it's against form rules to list the point values of each individual item or upgrade.
Just do it like this:

1 Vampire Lord (heavy armour, Nightshroud, Talisman of Preservation, Dread Knight, Red Fury, Aura of Dark Majesty, Zombie Dragon (641pts)

- not sure if Red Fury is worth it without some way to get re-rolls.
- why Vampire Lords on Zombie Dragons? Why not Ghoul Kings on Terrorgheists?
- one unit of 10 Wolves are basically worse in every way than two units of 5. The Doom Wolf is also a waste of points.
- you need more chaff. Spirit Hosts and Fell Bats are fantastic.

 fujinden wrote:
the 15 man skeleton with necr master of the dead it is not so bad imho?

but you`re right. it`s easy VP.

1 Vampire Lord ( General; Heavy armour; Shield; lvl 4;
Ogre Blade; Talisman of Preservation; the OTS;
Quickblood;Red Fury; Hellsteed)

1 Master Necromancer (Master of the Dead; lvl 4;Talisman of Endurance; Staff of Sorcery)

1 Necromancer (lvl2; Dispel Scroll)

50 Zombies ( Standard; Musician)

50 Zombies ( Standard; Musician)

50 VM Skeleton Warriors (full command)
9 Crypt Horrors

6 Vargheists

1 Terrorgheist


Magic Restrictions is

1. A maximum of 2 dice may be added to the power pool

2. A 5 Dice Casting Cap will be in effect for all spells

3. Lore of Death spells will have a 4 dice casting cap in effect

4. The Lore of Shadow spell Mindrazor will have a 4 dice casting cap in effect

5. The Lore of Hashut will have a 4 dice casting cap in effect

Should I try the Magic of Death for necros 4 lvl?

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I say never make the vampire lord a level 4. He's a tonne of points. Risking him going down the hole is far too much.

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I say never make the vampire lord a level 4. He's a tonne of points. Risking him going down the hole is far too much.

I used to think that way, but the likelihood of cascading AND jumping down a hole when you're on,y throwing 2-3 dice at LoV spells is minuscule. What will make a much bigger deal is the 100 points you're spending on that safety blanket. That's two spirit hosts. That's half a four-pack of vargheists. Almost half a terrorgheist. 70 points shy of a varghulf. Not worth it.

The exception is if you need the arcane slot. Black periapt is awesome, but isn't worth gimping a vampire lord for.

 fujinden wrote:
This roster (not my) had took 2nd place on tourney

2400 Pts something like this

1 Strigoi Ghoul King ( General; Magic Level 1; Sword of Bloodshed; Potion of Strength; aura of dark majesty) on Terrorgheist

1 Master Necromancer ( Magic Level 4; Dispel Scroll)

1 Wight King ( Battle Standard Bearer; Heavy armour)

1 Terrorgheist

1 Varghulf

1 Varghulf

33 Zombies

30 Zombies

5 Dire Wolves

5 Dire Wolves

32 Crypt Ghouls + Ghast

6 Crypt Horrors + hauntler

Rx8Speed wrote:
Do you have any mortis engines? What is your collection like? I think that an infantry list back backed by a mortis engine or two with a lvl 1 vamp lord/ strigoi, lvl 4 MN (+6 to cast vhd and winds of death anyone? or even the 12" invocation bubble) and a couple lvl 1 necros and a crypthorror meat shield for the MEs could be super powerful. Get a big block of skeletons with spears and they are a very pointy unit with re-rolls to hit and/or wound.

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:

Rx8Speed wrote:
Do you have any mortis engines? What is your collection like? I think that an infantry list back backed by a mortis engine or two with a lvl 1 vamp lord/ strigoi, lvl 4 MN (+6 to cast vhd and winds of death anyone? or even the 12" invocation bubble) and a couple lvl 1 necros and a crypthorror meat shield for the MEs could be super powerful. Get a big block of skeletons with spears and they are a very pointy unit with re-rolls to hit and/or wound.

Spears on skeletons are garbage. WS2 S3 attacks, even with rerolls, aren't worth writing home about. The only way that unit wins combats is static combat res, and if you're already giving up parry saves you might as well go with zombies for almost half the price.

Also don't forget that mortis engines with the BT double the danger of miscasts. I'll risk level 4 on my VL, but with the tome it starts getting dicey.

Also never take a SGK. They're just worse vampire lords for roughly the same price after you factor in a MN level 4, even under comp.

Rx8Speed wrote:

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:

Rx8Speed wrote:
Do you have any mortis engines? What is your collection like? I think that an infantry list back backed by a mortis engine or two with a lvl 1 vamp lord/ strigoi, lvl 4 MN (+6 to cast vhd and winds of death anyone? or even the 12" invocation bubble) and a couple lvl 1 necros and a crypthorror meat shield for the MEs could be super powerful. Get a big block of skeletons with spears and they are a very pointy unit with re-rolls to hit and/or wound.

Spears on skeletons are garbage. WS2 S3 attacks, even with rerolls, aren't worth writing home about. The only way that unit wins combats is static combat res, and if you're already giving up parry saves you might as well go with zombies for almost half the price.

Also don't forget that mortis engines with the BT double the danger of miscasts. I'll risk level 4 on my VL, but with the tome it starts getting dicey.

Also never take a SGK. They're just worse vampire lords for roughly the same price after you factor in a MN level 4, even under comp.

You don't really need parry saves if you have regen and the extra attacks from the spears are free so why not? The +2 to cast is pretty sweet if you just have a bunch of level 1s trying to raise units up. And the risk on the miscast table is why I said to keep the vampire as a level 1. For the MN you can keep him about 12" away from the ME, that way you can decide if it's worth the risk situationally depending on what spells you are trying to cast. Sometimes a bubble VHD is worth potentially sacrificing your necromancer for. Also 4+ regen on crypt horrors and the SGK is pretty cool. I wouldn't be so quick to disregard mortis engines.

 fujinden wrote:
I had played with this roster on that tourney (Perm, Russia)

1 Master Necromancer (Magic Level 4; Lore of Death; Fencer`s Blades + Talisman of Endurance) on Abyssal Terror

1 Vampire Lord (General; LoV; Shield; Lvl 4; Quickblood; Red Fury; Nightshroud; Talisman of Preservation; ) on Zombie Dragon

10 Dire Wolves

10 Dire Wolves

10 Dire Wolves

37 Crypt Ghouls

1 Terrorgheist

8 Hexwraiths

1 Black Coach

1 win (dwarfs), 2 draw (lizards & VC), 2 lose (HE & WE)

Frostfenix has died after charge of VL on Zombiedragon

I don`t like Mortis, he`s very afraid of cannons or bows.

PS I`m from Russia.

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:


A level 4 on an abyssal terror seems...insane. His only save would be a 5++ and his mount has no save of any kind. Didn't people just shoot at him? Or were you relying on target saturation?

Also why 10 direwolves? Doesn't seem like it would add anything over 5 save to make that unit a lot less expendable.

Rx8Speed wrote:
I don't like the way your lords are built. Both of them should have red fury and quick blood is much better than dark acolyte. I would personally drop the varghulf and just take the 2nd terrorgheist as rare. Maybe drop the strigoi altogether and get a unit of crypt horrors, or a black knight unit for your vampire lord to ride around with

 fujinden wrote:

Rx8Speed wrote:
I don't like the way your lords are built. Both of them should have red fury and quick blood is much better than dark acolyte. I would personally drop the varghulf and just take the 2nd terrorgheist as rare. Maybe drop the strigoi altogether and get a unit of crypt horrors, or a black knight unit for your vampire lord to ride around with

Yes, you`re right. No BSB, killable lord (2-3 Heroes with Savage beast of Horrors) in unit of ghouls. Amber spear & cannons & poison arrows & banisment kill both Terrorgeheist.



1 Vampire Lord (General; Lore of Vampires; Heavy armour; Shield; Magic Level 4; Talisman of Preservation; Ogre Blade; The Other Tricksters Shard; Quickblood; Red Fury) on Hellsteed

1 Vampire (Battle Standard Bearer; Magic Level 2; Lore of Beasts; Lance; Shield; Armour of Destiny; Forbidden Lore) on Coven Throne

1 Necromancer (lvl 1, Dispel Scroll)

1 Tomb Banshee

1 Tomb Banshee

1 Terrorgheist

3 Vargheists + 1 Vargoyle

7 Dire Wolves

8 Dire Wolves

22 Zombies Standard; Musician

20 Zombies Standard; Musician

32 Crypt Ghouls + 1 Ghast

2 Bat Swarm


Zombies + standard + music it is real fun )

Wolves is bunker for Lord on hellsteed

the 2 banshee is not so easy to kill, I think/

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:


If your VL is going to run solo on a Hellsteed then he needs a charmed shield, period. Otherwise it will only take two cannonballs to the face before he dies and your army starts falling apart.

Drop the banshees for another unit of 4 vargheists. The banshees will do nothing for you, but the vargs can run with your flying VL and wreck face.

I'd split those units up into units of 5, and squeeze in a 4th one. By screening the dogs with the TG/vargs you can mitigate how many hits they'll take from shooting, and just bounce your VL to a new one. You might also consider running them 4+champ at 2-wide, so that the front rank of them is just the VL plus a champ who can only take one wound if the enemy is attacking all at the same I step.

If you can find the points, put Aura of Dark Majesty on that CT vamp. The -1 might help him break stuff.

 fujinden wrote:

VL on hellsteed can not join to vargs (because they are FLying), VL would not get "Look Out Sir!" (because they are Mi). They are too glassy and expensive for divert.