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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "CIB Thread..."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net CIB Thread... How does the CIB fare statistically, against the dreaded MEq?

The most likely location seems to be the Shas'el with TM, who will have BS5.

CIB : 5 shots, 4.17 hits, 1/6 wound with a save, 1/6 wound with no save. Total = .93 MEq = .062 MEq/pt
PR (Rapid Fire): 2 shots, 1.67 his, 1.39 wounds with no save. Total = 1.39 MEq = .0695 MEq/pt

The Plasma Rifle seems pretty clearly better, especially on an HQ character, where 5 points here and there is less relevant. There's some odd range bands as well, with the CIB getting better from 12-18", and the PR better 18-24". Also, the Plasma rifle threatens light vehicles, while the CIB does not.

I can't really see any reason to take a CIB at this point. Am I missing something?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/62912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/62912.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... MEQs, but it's really for Gaunts and such. Torgoch is taking one in his 1500 pt list just to see how it fares.

But I'm with you. I really don't know why anyone would take it. Maybe if you face a lot of Nids in your area. The AP4 can threaten Genestealers and even Warriors. It really only seems to come into its own against Nids.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/62923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/62923.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... CIB to its full effect. Sometimes 12" is just too close.

Ezz]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/62933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/62933.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... el w/ CIB, PR, TA, MT. Highly flexible with a good punch against all infantry. and if you have 27pts left lying around upgrade him to a Shas'O and give him a MP instead of the TA, this makes him useful against everything from a gaunt to the Falcon.

And as to the CIB, it is really good, but not necessary. When it comes to the squeeze I usually drop it in favour of the Fireknife config.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63027.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... CIB needs to be mixed with burst cannon or maybe a flamer, but not plasma rifle. It is an anti-horde gun and so should be deployed with other anti horde guns. It needs targeter and multitracker as per usual. This gives you a commander with 8x anti horde shots. However Tau are not short of anti horde fireopower, massed pulse rifles will do.

If you really want a funky anti-horde weapon try airburst frag. Give it to a Shas'vre in a team along with a target lock. As a guess weapon the shot has to go somewhere and should eat up bunched horde behind cover quite nicely.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63047.page GMT RE: CIB Thread...
Oh and only to plasma IN rapid fire range no less! turn 1 you will not be in rapid fire range, turn 2 you could already be, but not always, sometimes you might never get into rapid fire range.

Ok so the plasma is better, great, take the plasma, I know I will on both my HQ suits.....then what?
You cannot take 2 plasmas, what will the 2nd weapon be? Most will take the missile or fusion.

Neither fares nearly aswell against meqs, terminators, TMCs, aspects.........guardsmen.......alot of things, as the CIB

Why wouldnt I take it on my HQ?

Personally going with Plasma, CIB, vectered thrusters, stims, multitracker on my Shaso.

Most effective shooting config I can think of and with a 3+ save with feel no pain I think he should be able to tie up the average squad rather well.

I would take it on my Shas'el aswell if only I could take 2 CIBs, much rather that weapon to the fusion and missiles are fine in the elite slots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63052.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... CIB is that CIB/plas does better against MEQs than fireknife does.

CIB: 5(5/6*(1/6*1/3+1/6)) = .9259 unsaved wounds per shooting phase
MP: 2(5/6*5/6*1/3) = .4630 unsaved wounds per shooting phase

Against MEQs in 4+ cover:

CIB: 5(5/6*(1/6*1/3+1/6*1/2)) = .4630 unsaved wounds per shooting phase
MP: same as above

So if you can catch marines out of cover, the CIB/PR will kill more marines than firekinfe will. The only other factor coming into this is range, as the MP will obviously be better at >18" as it gets 2 shots where the CIB gets none.

Of course price comes into it too; you might be unwilling to spend so many points on the off chance that you will be able to get at marines that aren't in cover.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63682.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... str 5 shot for about 10 pts a pop.

The Fireknife config still has a massive range increment on it that the CIB/PR does not. Essentially it can also pop light/mid vehicles and high toughness opponents, another thing that the CIB is ok at.

In the end I'm underwhelmed by the CIB. While I will continue to experiement with it, I do not expect anything. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63904.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... CIB combo on an 'el as my only HQ choice, the math behind CIB/PR for Termi/MEQ popping is better than the "fireknife" combo and I prefer to give my opponent as many chances as possible to fail armor saves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63951.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... MP/CIB/HWMT config on my Shas'O. It's out of style now with the popularity of the PR/MP/TA/HWMT 'El, which I use as well, but it still serves its purpose. There's not much I can use with 15 points in my 1850 list anyway other than perhaps buying another seeker missile (yay) and I do prefer the utilitarian nature of the thing. The rest of my army list sees less standard weapons, as I've switched the stealth horde to a stealth/crisis combo and taken out one railhead for a BASS, so I could use the additional antihorde firepower anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63964.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/63964.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... CIB is the fact it can wound any toughness enemy when you roll a '6' to wound, at AP 1.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64739.page GMT RE: CIB Thread...

Another advantage of the CIB is the fact it can wound any toughness enemy when you roll a '6' to wound, at AP 1.

You're confused. Read it again. All it says is that it can count as AP 1 against anything. The toughness thing is meaningless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64741.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... Pg 26) "...Any rolls to wound of a 6 count as AP1, regardless of the target's toughness"

Reading it seems to suggest that, if you are able to roll a 6 on a 'to wound' roll, you wound the target with an AP 1 shot 'regardless of its toughness' (Much like some weapons that wound on a 2+, 4+ regardless of the target's toughness), especially since toughness has no pertinence to a target's armor save.

So, you could shoot a Wraithlord with a CIB, and you could roll to wound, and if you manage to get a "6" you wound it with an AP 1 shot.

I apologize if I'm wrong, but the RAW seems to make it pretty clear that the CIB would wound anything regardless of its toughness at AP 1 if you can roll a 6 on 'to wound'.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64749.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... AP 1, regardless of the target's toughness" references wounding?

Absolutely no part of it. The RAW say that you get AP1 on a to wound roll of 6. They also say that the target's toughness is irrelevant. They say nothing about wounding itself.

We've been through this at least once. It's back a few pages. I might be able to find it.

Here's one thread that discusses it. There's another one somewhere.

http://dakkadakka.com/Default.aspx?tabid=93&view=topic&forumid=15&postid=50530
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64754.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... FAQ is released clarifying it (If ever).
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64766.page GMT RE: CIB Thread...
I think GW are trying to imply CIB has no value against vehicles on a 'wound' roll of 6.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64837.page GMT RE: CIB Thread... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/62912/64855.page GMT