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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Dealing with Daemon Princes"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Dealing with Daemon Princes
I'm just getting back into 40K and have Space Marine type armies. Looking at Imperial Fists and Blood Angels predominantly. Just a couple of queries on how to deal with a few things coming up:

What is the best and possibly most points efficient way to deal with a Flying Daemon Prince. I have an extensive list, of around 25,000 points to pick from, and I was thinking of going very heavy on the Lascannons and Heavy Bolters (if IF), but I will probably be facing him/them with Blood Angels in this game, so a large group of 8+ SG, maybe with Dante, or possibly some Hammernators, as there may be a lot of AP3 about. I can do a lot of DC, so maybe a large blob of DC (and a couple of PF/TH, with Astorath for all those re-rolls which may be handy for getting through that high invul save?

Also, very roughly to you Math=hammerers out there, how many Sniper Scout shots would be needed to take one down (very roughly).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570024.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes AS they are only T5, they die to small arms fire very easily.

If you are talking about Jinking Nurgle Daemon Princes (2+ cover saves) you'll need something to take away the cover save or just pray your enemy rolls some 1's...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570348.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570348.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes
I was just wondering what would be the best way to shoot him from the sky, but for those weapons to be versatile enough to deal with his Sons and whatever else is thrown at me?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570380.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570532.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes
Another strategy is to just play the mission and ignore them till they get on the ground(which they'll have to do to claim objectives, etc) then tie them up in CC. Do what you can to claim your mission points and avoid them.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570535.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570535.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes IMO is not versatile enough in lower point games.

I'd prefer to use some more flexible units that can chip away at the Prince only when there are no other priority targets in sight. So far it is looking like a couple of Ravens with TL-LC and TML, 3 or 4 Speeders with MM and TML a couple of squads of scouts with sniper rifles (for camping objectives and the odd snipe). All fairly useful against other targets, as well as the FMC. I then have Dante and some SG to mop up and harass his units of Sons, etc. Or perhaps go head to head with the Prince....

Someone mentioned massed Scout Snipers are decent against an FMC, as they can sit in cover and chip away whilst scoring and importantly fairly cheap. But how many shots would it take to bring it down? I will have to do some calculations...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570617.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes
So, 36 to 48 shots to get one wound through. Then he has to fail his grounding test.

Like mentioned above, not very effective means of bringing them down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570640.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes
4 Stormstrikes - S8 AP2 Concussive
2 TL Lascannon shots - S9 AP2
4 TML Kraks - S8 AP3

With my 4 Speeders hoping to get off a lucky 6 from their:
8 TML Kraks - S8 AP3
4 MM Shots - S8 AP1

All long range weapons other than the MMs which are still 24" so a good possibility of doing some heavy damage.

With Dante helping with Reserve Rolls, that should do some early damage and soon kill it outright before concentrating on the main push?

How does that sound?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7570679.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes

Nostromo 69 wrote:
I think I will go with my plan of two Ravens chasing him then unleashing:

4 Stormstrikes - S8 AP2 Concussive
2 TL Lascannon shots - S9 AP2
4 TML Kraks - S8 AP3

With my 4 Speeders hoping to get off a lucky 6 from their:
8 TML Kraks - S8 AP3
4 MM Shots - S8 AP1

All long range weapons other than the MMs which are still 24" so a good possibility of doing some heavy damage.

With Dante helping with Reserve Rolls, that should do some early damage and soon kill it outright before concentrating on the main push?

How does that sound?

A single Nurgle Prince can basically ignore all of that just by jinking: he doesn't even really need to be in the sky for that (actually, IMO he never should but that's another debate...).
As you mentioned "Sons", I'll assume you mean that he's playing a tzeench one? Then you should beware Iron Arm or Endurance (they should let him survive easily enough). You have 2 answers to that:
1 = Pray that he doesn't roll them.
2 = Take a few libbys or furiosos and get MOAR DENY DICE! The idea here is to scare him into putting loads of dice into it, and make him peril. This will generally have him kill himself in a few turns.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7574033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7574033.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7574575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7574575.page GMT Re:Dealing with Daemon Princes
1 turn, 10 Sterguard (2 meltas) using special poison ammo, dished out 3 wounds when in range, then 1 wound with overwatch. I think even if that last wound would have gone to close combat, with their 2 base attacks Sternguard can hold their own a bit. I run them mostly naked, and they are still expensive, but good value and VERY versatile.

I do plan on using the 10xSternguard, 20xVanguard Vets, 1 Stormraven formation in a 1750/1850 game soon. Using Corbulo, riding the Stormraven with the Sternguard, and a couple of podded in Tri-Flamer Tacticals. Then sweeping them in a massed attack around Corbulo for his bubble buffs (which helps negate not having Baal Strike Force) Initiative, with that formation. Perhaps a couple of small Scout to hold home objective while the main battle ties things up on his side of the board. Perhaps with a decent squad of SG or jumpy DC to break off and contest things if needed. Those "free" 400 points really help in fairly low point games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7590545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7590545.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes LRC does the trick just fine. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7590967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7590967.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591397.page GMT Re:Dealing with Daemon Princes DP and actually flying in the air...ignore it. It really can't hurt you to any great extent whilst airbourne, and can't claim objectives.

If it is a nurgle DP, then it will probably be hopping across the board with a 2+ over save rather than flying. These are tough targets, but weight of fire should bring them down. If it has iron arm then ignore it, there really is very little you can do with SM to hurt a T8 2+ cover save DP.

For arbourne ones SM flyers are your best bets. Storm talon/raven work fine. FW fireraptor is also a nice choice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591783.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes DP's that are swooping. They can't assault while swooping which means they're stuck throwing an occasional spell at you, which won't be too devastating against marines.

Ignore them while they're swooping- if they drop to gliding in preparation to assault you, light that T5 ass up.

Against Nurgle DP's, who will be gliding most of the time anyway since they can jink for the 2+ cover save, get some ignores cover. Good ol' melee also works pretty well. A hidden powerfist can feth up a DP royally, since you'll be wounding on 2's and he'll only get his 5+ invuln. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591820.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes

BlaxicanX wrote:
Don't bother trying to kill DP's that are swooping. They can't assault while swooping which means they're stuck throwing an occasional spell at you, which won't be too devastating against marines.

Ignore them while they're swooping- if they drop to gliding in preparation to assault you, light that T5 ass up.

Against Nurgle DP's, who will be gliding most of the time anyway since they can jink for the 2+ cover save, get some ignores cover. Good ol' melee also works pretty well. A hidden powerfist can feth up a DP royally, since you'll be wounding on 2's and he'll only get his 5+ invuln.

Problem with powerfists is who has it? If there is only 1 character in the squad then he is going to get challenged. If there are multiple characters it can work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591864.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591864.page GMT Dealing with Daemon Princes IC in a squad then. lol

I mean, that's the trick. A P. Fist/Thunder Hammer HQ can ride with a unit of bikes with a P. Fist vetsarge, for example. Feed the veteran sergeant to the Prince, then wombo-combo it with the HQ. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634575/7591882.page GMT