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Hq
Librarian-160
Lvl3
Domina liber daemonica

Librarian-135
Lvl3

Troops

Terminators-198
2 halberd
Falchions
Hammer
Silencer

Elites
5 purifiers-175
Hammer
Incinerator
Rhino

5 purifiers-175
Hammer
Incinerator
Rhino

5 purifiers-175
Hammer
Incinerator
Rhino

Heavy

Dreadknight-225
Incinerator
Psycannon
Sword

Dreadknight-235
Incinerator
Psycannon
Sword


Imperial knight errant-370


Well tactics pretty simple. One Libby takes telepathy and hope for invis. Depending who I'm playing I would roll for the other Libby too if I don't get it. The two Libby's will roll with the terminators for wounds. If I get gate I will start on the board. If I get the warlord trait that lets them come for free or I don't get gate I will deep strike. The purifiers will go after infantry and Flying MCs. The dreadknoghta will shunt first turn if needed to lay some dakka down and the errant will do what he does best . I will cast invis if I get it on the errant of needed or the dreadknights. I've come to find a lot of people don't like purifiers but I have ran this list against a few armies now and it's worked really good with the purifiers being the MVPs. I didn't have the errant in the other lists tho. Any tips or thoughta would be great! Thank you!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7638915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7638915.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7639152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7639152.page GMT Re:[1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt Lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7639661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7639661.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7639863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7639863.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
I would suggest upgrading those hvy incins to hvy psycans though. You have anti infantry all over but you lack med strength ranged presence nearly to the point of exclusion.

I find the ndh to be sufficient on those NDKs if pts are tight, or even bare. You will miss a force weapon if you face MCs of any variety or D lords though so if possible keep one form or the other.

Also I don't see much reason for the incinerators on the purifiers beyond overwatch. I mean they can come in useful here and there but it costs you 2 force weapon attacks and can't be used very well with cleansing flame since one burns the other out of range. The incin is also useless if you move at cruising speed, which is where cleansing flame shines.

Anyway cool list overall.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7639932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7639932.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt this list is unbound as I'm seeing it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640012.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640017.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640020.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
They suck. You don't need the extra attack, and when you do, you need to hit with a beating. I would replace with a halberd.

Also - psilencer? Replace with psycannon.

I don't understand why people do not like storm ravens with Grey Knights. I usually run 2 because they are awesome (multi-melta and assault cannon with those missiles) and have a great alpha strike. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640028.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt that's what I didn't know about]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640035.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640096.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640130.page GMT Re:[1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt IG parkkng lot I don't see that many lists where mech would be a problem for the knight and dreadknight.


As far as the falchions I am trying to play the models as WYSIWYG. I got some of these models from a trade and they are very well painted and I don't want to mess up the model by trying to swap the weapons and I just bought the second dreadknight so I don't have the money to buy more models lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7640284.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
Another note:
The Servo Skulls that you get with an inquisitor
they don't only reduce deep strike scatter within 12" to 1d6
but they also reduce weapon template scatter to 1d6, and can be useful if you put them mid-board to effectively shoot stuff with your imp knight.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7641840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7641840.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7642135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7642135.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
Honestly the most common mistake IMO is over tooling GK forces. They already come armed to the teeth with frag/krak/psych even in TDA, power weapons across the board etc. Stock is fine especially in the case of purifiers.

I do feel the force weapon upgrades have their place but a lot just depends on their role. For example I rarely put a hvy weapon on my termies anymore (I run allies most times now though) because it just doesn't do enough. I would rather just focus the unit on anti infantry duty and scoring and handle armour in combat. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7642521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7642521.page GMT Re:[1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
Lvl 3 librarian-185
Combi-melta
Curiass of sacrifice
Domina liber book
Halberd

Lvl 3 librarian-145
Combi-melta

Troops
5 Grey knight terminators-175
Daemon hammer

Elites
5 purifiers-160
Rhino

5 purifiers-160
Rhino

5 purifiers-160
Rhino

Heavy
Dreadknight-225
Heavy incenirator
Heavy psycannon
Greatsword
Teleporter

Dreadknight-235
gatling psilencer
Heavy psycannon
Greatsword
Teleporter

Knight errant-370

Inquistion detactment
Ordo malleus inquisitor-34
3 servo skulls


Over all tactics stay the same but now I have 3-4 units for infantry and 3-4 for tank hunting and 3 units for AA. So the changes I made are down sizing the terminators to just a hammer and use them just for infantry and objective takers. Also added Combi meltas to the Libby's for some extra tank killing if needed. Dropped the special weapons off the purifiers and running them stock. Also added an inquisitor for the skulls. He will just ride with a unit or hide in a building on an objective and just hold it as long as he can. Any thoughts are welcome! Thanks . Also how would this list fare in a tournament you guys think? Thanks again!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7656934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7656934.page GMT Re:[1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
Default02 wrote:
Lvl 3 librarian-185
Combi-melta
Curiass of sacrifice
Domina liber book
Halberd

Lvl 3 librarian-145
Combi-melta

Relics say a model may take one of them. For Grey Knights this is on page 59. "A model can take one of the following:"

The intent is made especially clear when you compare it to Special Issue Wargear on the same page, for which "A model can take up to one of each of the following:"

Your list has 2 Relics on one Character. You could move one to the other Librarian to make the list legal.

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marinecorpstim wrote:

I don't understand why people do not like storm ravens with Grey Knights. I usually run 2 because they are awesome (multi-melta and assault cannon with those missiles) and have a great alpha strike.


How are they an alpha strike? They can only enter the board on turn 2 at the earliest, and without a comms relay or similar they often don't come on until turn 3 or later.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7658298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7658298.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
Zimko wrote:
marinecorpstim wrote:

I don't understand why people do not like storm ravens with Grey Knights. I usually run 2 because they are awesome (multi-melta and assault cannon with those missiles) and have a great alpha strike.


How are they an alpha strike? They can only enter the board on turn 2 at the earliest, and without a comms relay or similar they often don't come on until turn 3 or later.


3+ roll is a fail 33% of the time, which in common English would equal occasionally, or perhaps even regularly, but certainly not often.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7658643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7658643.page GMT Re:[1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
You could also put 2 librarians in this squad and gate back once your done, just keep doing this each turn while everything else moves up the board. Even if you can't gate back you can still fire 2 incinerators in the shooting phase and take on any kind of counter charge with overwatch on 2 flamers, would be a nice little distraction unit to keep the enemy busy. And if you survive till the next turn just switch the sequence round, cleansing flame in combat which would be nasty if there are lots of enemy units around then gate out of combat etc etc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7660238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7660238.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Zimko wrote:
marinecorpstim wrote:

I don't understand why people do not like storm ravens with Grey Knights. I usually run 2 because they are awesome (multi-melta and assault cannon with those missiles) and have a great alpha strike.


How are they an alpha strike? They can only enter the board on turn 2 at the earliest, and without a comms relay or similar they often don't come on until turn 3 or later.


3+ roll is a fail 33% of the time, which in common English would equal occasionally, or perhaps even regularly, but certainly not often.


In the case of 2 Stormravens, you have more than a 50% chance of one of them failing to come on turn 2. Which to me means 'often'.

Still that isn't really my point. An Alpha Strike typically means being able to hit something before they have a chance to react. If most of your army is on the board already then I don't see how Stormravens arriving turn 2 equates an alpha strike.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7660277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/638292/7660277.page GMT [1850] - Grey Knights/Imp KnightNFD - Another compitive attempt
Zimko wrote:
 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Zimko wrote:
marinecorpstim wrote:

I don't understand why people do not like storm ravens with Grey Knights. I usually run 2 because they are awesome (multi-melta and assault cannon with those missiles) and have a great alpha strike.


How are they an alpha strike? They can only enter the board on turn 2 at the earliest, and without a comms relay or similar they often don't come on until turn 3 or later.


3+ roll is a fail 33% of the time, which in common English would equal occasionally, or perhaps even regularly, but certainly not often.


In the case of 2 Stormravens, you have more than a 50% chance of one of them failing to come on turn 2. Which to me means 'often'.

Still that isn't really my point. An Alpha Strike typically means being able to hit something before they have a chance to react. If most of your army is on the board already then I don't see how Stormravens arriving turn 2 equates an alpha strike.

I agree with your points on reserves and it's definitely not an alpha strike, more a beta strike but whatever. That aside ravens bring ranged ap2 that we otherwise lack entirely. Even after the missiles are spent a ravens weaponry is favorable to that of more terminators for comparable cost. Plus it's a mobile scoring unit in an otherwise slogging army.
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