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I'm an old 5th edition Dark Eldar player returning to the game with the release of Harlequins, My initial game this edition will be against my mate who plays Craftworld Eldar. First game is only going to be a 1000pts as we are both a bit rusty.

I'm trying to fit Harlequins into my force but at 1000pts, this isn't easy. Harlequins can't use the Combined Arms Detachment or Allied Detachment as they don't have a HQ - also their Force Org Chart requires them to take at least 3 units of troupes plus others which is very heavily on points.

I'm trying to squeeze them in where I can and still be reasonably competitive (Me and my mate are very competitive) so I've umm'ed and arh'ed and came up with the following.

1000pts DE Realspace Raiders Detachment + Cegorach's Jest Formation

DE Realspace Raiders Detachment -

HQ - Archon
Blaster
Venom (SC)

5 Warriors
Blaster
Venom (SC)

5 Warriors
Blaster
Raider (DL)

6 Reavers

1 Ravager (3DL)

Harlequin - Cegorach's Jest Formation

1 Troupe (7)
4 Kisses
2 Embrace
1 Caress (Troupe Leader)
Raider (DL)

2 Sky Weavers

1 Void Weaver (Prismatic Cannon)

999Pts

8 Darklight Shots

Any feedback would be great on either the DE Detachment/ Harlequin Formation/ in general.

Thanks!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7653322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7653322.page GMT CAD detachment rather than Realspace Raiders. Objective Secured is really good value in competetive games, especially considering the fast skimmer troop transports. I find the cover save really iffy and you don't really need 6 FA slots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7653870.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7653870.page GMT CC weapons on the Reavers I don't see what they acheive without them. Caltrops are a necessity at least. I would also drop the Archon just take a court for a shooty HQ or add a Succubus to the Harlies. I would consider the cast of players and a Falchous Wing as another way to field the quins in a Raider and dovetail Mask of Secrets with Armour of Misery.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7654130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7654130.page GMT
Thanks for your comments, I've taken them on board and made a few changes - should now actually be more competitive! (Hopefully )

@oraj - I went with the CAD as you advised, much better! with the re-roll warlord trait from the CAD, can i use this re-roll on the DE warlord trait table or just on the rule book table?

@FlingitNow - I took your advice, I didn't see the worth of keeping the Reavers, I couldn't afford the additional CC on them and could see them getting blown away pretty quick. The skyweavers/Voidweavers where just a points tax that i didn't need. Cut it down to the cast of players and threw in the Succubus as suggested.

DE - CAD

Warlord -Succubus 90pts
Armour of Misery

5 Warriors 115pts
Blaster
Raider (DL)

5 Warriors 120 pts
Blaster
Venom (S.C)

5 Warriors 120 pts
Blaster
Venom (S.C)

Ravager 125pts
3 DLs

Ravager 125pts
3 DLs

(695pts)

Harlequins - Cast Of Players

5 Players
4 Kisses 115pts

Death Jester 60pts

Seer (Psychic Shriek)
Mask of Secrets 75pts

Raider 55pts (This is actually part of the CAD, but put it here for army composition)

(305pts)


Total 1000pts

Harles + Succubus, all units in 12" get -2LD, within 6" -4LD (total w/Misery) combined with Fear/the DJ/Hallucinogen/Psychic Shriek make this a very versatile unit at both CC + range (based on FlingitNow's thoughts). IMHO I'm thinking maybe they are too strong in CC and may wipe out units in their first round :/. They will go in the naked raider.

Ravagers kill tanks/ heavy elites.

Venoms soften/ kill infantry .

Warriors kill Infantry/ blaster any armour the Ravagers miss (literary)

I am missing a kiss on the players and a DL on the naked raider though I can't find 10 points.

In total it's 10 DL shots a turn with 40/42 AI (other) shots plus Psychic shriek.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7656122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7656122.page GMT hq with 1 laemean for 10 pts. De hqs are pretty sucky and this enables you to spend points elsewhere. Drop the ravagers and replace with 2 units of 5 scourge with 4 haywire blasters. Far better at taking out vehicles. You should be using your poison shots for elites and mc's to force saves through weight of fire. Change the 5 warriors in raider to another venom with double cannon for more poison. The raider carrying your harly troops should have nightshields for the extra cover save to make sure they have a better chance at getting where they need to go. I can't remember what it's called but one of the harlequin weapons grants hammer of wrath attacks on the charge. And seen as they have hit and run, they can keep doing it over and over again. I would make sure you have a couple of those minimum. The instant death weapons arent really worth it. Probably the worst out of the 3 choices. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7656193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7656193.page GMT Ld test at -6 (so even Ld10 goes down to 4) with you choosing direction of flight. Meaning you can kill any unit near a board edge just by sniping off any character. Not to mention the Psychic shriek shenanigans.

Whilst Haywire Scourges are the new AT hotness I feel the more versatile nature of the Ravager can help it win out at lower points.

For the Harlequins I would swap 2 kisses over to embraces. Whilst guaranteed Ap2 is nice, volume of S6 hits generally works out better. Dropping a blaster from a warrior squad enables you to upgrade the last Raider and get a Caress on the Troupe Master. Personally I would make him Warlord over the Succubus due to the amazing Warlord traits open to Harlequins. I'd probably roll on light for this list as going first is huge for you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7656768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7656768.page GMT HQ's, taking something like a 10pt HQ was never an option. Though i'll probably consider this for another list which maybe a solely DE, my opponent is pretty old school and can get very anal at times - doesn't even like me playing DE + harles and won't play any list that has the slightest whiff of unbound.

I want to try the double Haywire Scourges but I like the reliability of having two ravagers on the field shooting from turn one. I'd be concerned that they either fail deepstrike or died before they can bring their guns to bear.

Ok so how about I drop the unit of Raider Warriors, giving me 115pts free and I get a SC Venom, 2 Embraces on the harles maybe a glaive on the succubus? That should be around 115pts? Don't have my codexes at hand now.

Can I give the troupe master warlord over the succubus? With the DE CAD as my primary detachment I have to have my warlord from this unit right? The harles are just a formation and so can't be the primary detachment? I'm new to these new FOC so correct me if i'm wrong.

Also FlingitNow with the harle warlord traits if you are referring to the +4 to seize the initiative which is one of the traits, I can't use that, my opponent disregards the seize the initiative rule as he says its unfair and house rules. :(

As I said he is kinda old school......

Thanks for the Feedback guys!!! Let me know what you think of the slight changes!!.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7657470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7657470.page GMT
Tell your opponent to read the 7th Ed rulebook and explain that is how the rules work now. Being UK based there has to be a GW store nearby that perhaps you could find other opponents at.

Otherwise those changes seem good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7658390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7658390.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7659133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/639091/7659133.page GMT