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				<description><![CDATA[ The Petition:<br /> <a href="https://www.change.org/p/glastonbury-festival-cancel-kanye-west-s-headline-slot-and-get-a-rock-band?recruiter=11676931&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_facebook_responsive&utm_term=des-sm-google-no_msg" target="_new" rel="nofollow">https://www.change.org/p/glastonbury-festival-cancel-kanye-west-s-headline-slot-and-get-a-rock-band?recruiter=11676931&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_facebook_responsive&utm_term=<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>des</span>-sm-google-no_msg</a><br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.nme.com/news/kanye-west/83594" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.nme.com/news/kanye-west/83594</a><br /> For the work blocked:<br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><img src="http://nme.assets.ipccdn.co.uk/images/gallery/2015KANYEWEST_GETTY463852228_030315.jpg" border="0" /><br /> <br /> A large number of Glastonbury festival-goers have reacted negatively to the news of Kanye West headlining this year's event.<br /> <br /> i<img http://nme.assets.ipccdn.co.uk/images/article/2014KanyeWest_Getty451757700070714.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://nme.assets.ipccdn.co.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span>/images/article/2014KanyeWest_Getty451757700070714.jpg</a>" border="0" /><br /> West will headline the Saturday night of the Worthy Farm event, with organiser Emily Eavis announcing the news on Monday night (March 16). Eavis wrote on Twitter: "We are thrilled to let you know we have the one and only Kanye West headlining Saturday night on the Pyramid stage!" <br /> <br /> However, many fans have taken to Twitter to express their anger. One fan wrote: "If Kanye West is headlining glastonbury I'm sending my ticket back. What a shocking shocking idea. He doesn't belong anywhere near it." Others called the announcement a "bandwagon booking".<br /> <br /> Read more at <a href="http://www.nme.com/news/kanye-west/83594#MlxA3eGZR42KH2hs.99" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.nme.com/news/kanye-west/83594#MlxA3eGZR42KH2hs.99</a><br /> <br /> In the meantime, a petition has also been launched to prevent West from performing at the festival.<br /> <br /> The petition - titled 'Cancel Kanye West's headline slot and get a rock band' - reads: "Kanye West is an insult to music fans all over the world. We spend hundreds of pounds to attend glasto, and by doing so, expect a certain level of entertainment."<br /> <br /> "Kanye has been very outspoken on his views on music....he should listen to his own advice and pass his headline slot on to someone deserving! Lets prevent this musical injustice now!"<br /> <br /> NME spoke to the person who set up the petition - you can read their comments here. <br /> <br /> 21,000 people have currently signed the petition, while Glastonbury Festival boasts an annual audience of approximately 135,000 overall. Already confirmed to appear at the festival, which takes place between June 24-28, are Friday night headliners Foo Fighters and Lionel Richie. <br /> <br /> Earlier in March Kanye West performed a last minute show at London's KOKO venue. Read the NME review. <br /> <br /> Read more at <a href="http://www.nme.com/news/kanye-west/83594#MlxA3eGZR42KH2hs.99" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.nme.com/news/kanye-west/83594#MlxA3eGZR42KH2hs.99</a></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What do you lot think? For me personally I think he shouldn't be performing there. Utter tool.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The only place kanye should be performing is a spoken word performance cafe, as I hesistate to call what he does music. I must say I am really impressed with his latest offering which seems to be focused about including the word [derogative word for person of colour]  as many times as he can. Oh that Kanye , he's so street,  [derogative word for person of colour]]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Much the same as Jay Z a few years ago... And Micheal Eavis knows what he is doing. He has been doing for longer than I have been alive. As for calling for a "rock band", Glastonbury has been about mainstream pop for a long time. I can't really see what people are complaining about other than some imaginary idea that Glastonbury is still some underground rock fest. It's not exactly Wacken or Download. It has glamping tents FFS.<br /> <br /> So what if he plays? It's not like Glastonbury is short of other bands to see playing at the same time.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ God, how does he always seem to look like he's smuggling gobstoppers in his jowls? That face just begs for a fist.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/63a30813c2d2fc5943b33ad0f44eff31.jpeg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7684979.page"><b>Steve steveson wrote:</b></a><br/>Much the same as Jay Z a few years ago... And Micheal Eavis knows what he is doing. He has been doing for longer than I have been alive. As for calling for a "rock band", Glastonbury has been about mainstream pop for a long time. I can't really see what people are complaining about other than some imaginary idea that Glastonbury is still some underground rock fest. It's not exactly Wacken or Download. It has glamping tents FFS.<br /> <br /> So what if he plays? It's not like Glastonbury is short of other bands to see playing at the same time.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Jay-Z isn't anywhere near as annoying as Kanye West.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ #shrug<br /> <br /> As someone else said, tonnes of other acts and stages at Glasto. Storm in a teacup.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div> "Kanye West is an insult to music fans all over the world."</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> "Stop liking what I don't like!", the petition.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e5aaaf021bd6ade8acb64df0c66b035f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7685040.page"><b>Medium of Death wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div> "Kanye West is an insult to people all over the world."</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> "Stop liking what I don't like!", the petition.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Don't worry, I fixed the quote for him. <br /> <br /> Is there honestly a more worthless human being than Kanye West right now? Seriously, I think Mitt Romney and Mat Ward are deserving of sainthood next to Kanye. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7685053.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e5aaaf021bd6ade8acb64df0c66b035f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7685040.page"><b>Medium of Death wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div> "Kanye West is an insult to people all over the world."</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> "Stop liking what I don't like!", the petition.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Don't worry, I fixed the quote for him. <br /> <br /> Is there honestly a more worthless human being than Kanye West right now? Seriously, I think Mitt Romney and Mat Ward are deserving of sainthood next to Kanye. </div></blockquote><br /> Dang... you <i><b>really</b></i> don't like Kanye... eh?<br /> <br /> I like some of his musics... but, I too despise the man.<br /> <br /> I can separate the music from the musicians.<br /> <br /> ie, I fething love Audioslave... but, they're a bunch of pinko-commie loving bastards.<br /> <br /> iie, I'm considered a Metallica Maniac... but, I sitll won't forgive their Napster days.<br /> <br /> iiie, Disturbed fething rocks my soul... but, the frontman is a piece of work.<br /> <br /> See?<br /> <br /> It's a music festival... drink copious amounts of alcohol and simply enjoy the tunes.<br /> <br /> Rock on dudes!<br /> <br /> \m/]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 80,000 people is still a pretty unanimous GTFO Glastonbury though <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Isn't that like 2% of Scotland's population? <br /> <br /> Clearly they need to check their musical privilege. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ @Whembly: yeah, I get that: I'm very anti-drug, and my favorite musician has bounced between booze, heroine and cocaine. Heavily. But Kanye is an unrelenting ass who throws himself out to make a big stink and get tons of attention, claims to speak for me (voice of my generation <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>bs</span>), and just generally treats everyone like crap. Except Beyoncé. Although I'm sure she probably wishes he'd STFU. Has he murdered babies with an ice pick? Probably not. But he hasn't done anything redeeming and only exists to upset people. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The amount of venom stirred up here for one guy and one concert is rather shocking.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/51789d5078a1a73fa3a7d55531358b42.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7685168.page"><b>curran12 wrote:</b></a><br/>The amount of venom stirred up here for one guy and one concert is rather shocking.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The results of a life spent being a douche bag I guess.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think he's a garbage human and a pretty talented musician and producer.<br /> <br /> I won't pay for his music, but I'll listen to some of it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I haven't listened to any of his music. But I've heard good things about it.<br /> <br /> The man behind the music is absolute scumbag though. Not excuses can excuse his behavior. I'd say more but I'm worried about breaking dakka rule #1]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think the people behind the petition and those signing it are probably those who have never been or have never considered going to Glasto.<br /> <br /> I think Kanyes current exposure and shenanigans in media has a lot to do with those signing.<br /> <br /> I wouldn't want to see Kanye but people would certainly pay to see him and some more acts. So its a winner for Eavis and the charities he supports.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm not much of a rap man, but I know that he is meant to be pretty good at it.<br /> <br /> <br /> The guy is an utter oaf, but I prefer to let my favourite angry Canadian comedian speak about him.<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pRJKHS9WE0M?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1f3a4541aff816ba5d6eca832e31b5b9.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7685075.page"><b>whembly wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7685053.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e5aaaf021bd6ade8acb64df0c66b035f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7685040.page"><b>Medium of Death wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div> "Kanye West is an insult to people all over the world."</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> "Stop liking what I don't like!", the petition.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Don't worry, I fixed the quote for him. <br /> <br /> Is there honestly a more worthless human being than Kanye West right now? Seriously, I think Mitt Romney and Mat Ward are deserving of sainthood next to Kanye. </div></blockquote><br /> Dang... you <i><b>really</b></i> don't like Kanye... eh?<br /> <br /> I like some of his musics... but, I too despise the man.<br /> <br /> I can separate the music from the musicians.<br /> <br /> ie, I fething love Audioslave... but, they're a bunch of pinko-commie loving bastards.<br /> <br /> iie, I'm considered a Metallica Maniac... but, I sitll won't forgive their Napster days.<br /> <br /> iiie, Disturbed fething rocks my soul... but, the frontman is a piece of work.<br /> <br /> See?<br /> <br /> It's a music festival... drink copious amounts of alcohol and simply enjoy the tunes.<br /> <br /> Rock on dudes!<br /> <br /> \m/</div></blockquote><br /> I think that's the first time I have seen somebody actually call somebody a pinko. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> But yeah, I agree.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well its extra publicity for Glastonbury.  They will only pretend to take the petition seriously.<br /> <br /> They shouldn't cave in, but they should highlight who else they have signed up.<br /> <br /> And definitely sign someone else next year.<br /> <br /> If Kanye West was tainted like Gary Glitter they I can imagine the outrage, as it so happens he is just a musician with a big mouth and and internet hate club, they are not in short supply in the industry.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(515);'>ITT</span>: Nerds wishing rock music was still relevant.  Kanye is the natural choice to headline Glastonbury.  He's the biggest artist in the world right now.<br /> <br /> So he's a bit outspoken at times, big deal.  Jimmy Page abused a 14 year old girl.  Presumably you would be OK with a reformed Led Zep playing?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>Lol</span> don't like Led Zep either <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Not sure why so many people feel so strongly about Kanye.  I mean, sure, he seems like sort of a dick, and I personally am not into his music, but his offenses don't seem to scale with the vitriol. What exactly did he do to be so despised? Not be humble enough? Man, if I had 20 odd Grammy awards, I'd probably never shut up about it either. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c62bb51b28b25d49520df803f6153a7a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687031.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/>Not sure why so many people feel so strongly about Kanye.  I mean, sure, he seems like sort of a dick, and I personally am not into his music, but his offenses don't seem to scale with the vitriol. What exactly did he do to be so despised? Not be humble enough? Man, if I had 20 odd Grammy awards, I'd probably never shut up about it either. </div></blockquote><br /> There are a great many white artists that are arrogant dicks that don't attract anywhere near the same level of opprobrium, though I don't necessarily think it's a race thing.  I think nerdy kids in particular hate him because he represents the music of their oppressors, i.e. popular kids.  It's the same reason they hate any mainstream artist, just magnified by the perception that he is not humble.  The strangest thing about that is that he's kind of an outsider in hip-hop terms.  He was seen as an alternative rapper when he first came up.<br /> <br /> The point I keep coming back to is 'what exactly has he done that's so bad?'<br /> <br /> He said 'George Bush doesn't care about black people' during a Katrina telethon.  Kind of had a point.<br /> He got on stage and said that Beyonce should have won the Grammy for Best Video instead of Taylor Swift.  Kind of had a point.<br /> <br /> Seriously, what else is there?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Emily Eavis speaks; sanity prevails: <br /> <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/20/emily-eavis-on-kanye-at-glastonbury-we-have-got-one-of-the-greatest-artists-of-his-generation-headlining" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/20/emily-eavis-on-kanye-at-glastonbury-we-have-got-one-of-the-greatest-artists-of-his-generation-headlining</a><br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Every year when we announce who’s playing at Glastonbury there are complaints and often outrage. We’re well used to that. Scrutiny of our headliners has become something of a national pastime. We’ve had it in recent years with Jay Z, Beyoncé, Metallica and plenty of others. We even had it in 1984 when we booked the Smiths, because people wanted Hawkwind again! This year is no different.<br /> <br /> In normal circumstances, we wouldn’t add to the story by commenting. But given the enormous amount of media coverage from all corners of the globe we felt compelled to respond this time.<br /> <br /> The Glastonbury festival of contemporary performing arts is the full name of our festival, and my dad and I love doing what we do: working with great, creative people and being able to curate so much music, art, theatre and circus, not to mention the political and green debate.<br /> <br /> It’s a feast of culture and diversity that is spread out over 1,000 acres for everyone who makes the pilgrimage to Worthy Farm to enjoy. The people that come here are, we hope, open-minded and they come to experience and devour all of this. At any one time, there are hundreds of things to see and do.<br /> <br /> We think the story this year should not be: “Why is Kanye coming?” but: “How amazing is it that Kanye is coming?” One of the world’s biggest superstars and a music legend, always interesting, never boring. He has agreed to play a festival where headliners get paid a fraction of their normal rate in support of Oxfam, Water Aid and Greenpeace as well as thousands of other worthy causes. We think that’s pretty great.<br /> <br /> To say that our headliners should be “rock” is, I think, a bit silly. Those acts never have been limited to rock, and they never will be. Stevie Wonder, the Prodigy, Curtis Mayfield, the Chemical Brothers, Jay Z, Gorillaz, Beyoncé and plenty of others prove that.<br /> <br /> I’ve realised over the years of announcing line ups that, literally, whoever you reveal will be met with some hate online. I have such faith in humanity, but believe me, some of the vitriol being thrown around this week has made me question the dark underbelly of the web. Who are those people silently shouting in disgust, throwing out threats from behind their screens? It certainly isn’t pleasant to be on the receiving end of that. I can’t even imagine how it makes Kanye feel.<br /> <br /> I’ve seen people this week saying that Kanye shouldn’t appear because, in their opinion, he’s not a positive role model or because they think he’s too self-assured. We book our acts by choosing the best and most challenging musicians on the planet – not by applying some kind of arbitrary morality test.<br /> <br /> But I would also remind people that this a man who made a version of a worldwide hit single which highlighted the social issues that conflict diamonds cause in west Africa. And wouldn’t you have a bit of a spring in your step if you’d won 21 Grammys?<br /> <br /> It’s important to point out that the signatories of the petition are not limited to ticket holders. From what we can see, an awful lot of them aren’t even from the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span>. Even the originator of the petition admits that he has never actually been to the festival.<br /> <br /> Clearly, the petition has given sections of the worldwide media a pretext upon which to hang a negative Kanye story. But I’m told that there were only four more requests for ticket refunds on the day after we announced Kanye’s performance than there had been the previous Tuesday. The overwhelming majority of our 135,000 ticket-holders are clearly not too concerned by that particular two-hour slot on one of the 100 stages at our five-day event.<br /> <br /> Our message to the man who started the petition is that like any other ticket-holder, he is very welcome to get a refund. But better still, come to the festival and open your mind to some wonderful music and performances from all corners of the world. We work year-round with the goal of making the event as good as it can be. Hopefully, once you’ve been to the festival, you’ll be more willing to give us the benefit of any doubt.<br /> <br /> Ultimately, there is no question in my mind that we have got one of the greatest artists of his generation headlining, and we have no regrets at all about booking him. As the late, great Glastonbury regular Lou Reed said about Kanye:<br /> “The guy really, really, really is talented. He’s really trying to raise the bar. No one’s near doing what he’s doing, it’s not even on the same planet.”<br /> And we’ve got him coming to our farm! In rural Somerset! That’s great, right? I certainly can’t wait to see his performance.</div></blockquote><br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ One word- MONEY<br /> <br /> Also- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> there is no real talent applied to Rap music. It's just morons flashing cash and "b*tches" and crotch grabbing nonsense. At least where other genres are concerned, there is some sense of people working bloody hard to master various musical instruments/their voice.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ As an American I'd like to apologize for this douchebag.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687046.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> The point I keep coming back to is 'what exactly has he done that's so bad?'<br /> <br /> He said 'George Bush doesn't care about black people' during a Katrina telethon.  Kind of had a point.<br /> He got on stage and said that Beyonce should have won the Grammy for Best Video instead of Taylor Swift.  Kind of had a point.<br /> <br /> Seriously, what else is there?<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Beyonce is an overrated pop star that has tracks written for her by other people, unless the video was far superior (which i doubt as it probably featured beyonce in a black leotard) i don't see the separation from taylor swift, they both do the same thing (sans black leotard for one of them)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Also Taylor Swift was practically still a kid when he ripped her apart in front of the entire world and made her feel like gak. The man is utter scum and deserves nothing but hatred and ridicule. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, and I hope no long term emotional scarring happened to her for his actions, but it's quite possible at that age and environment. <br /> <br />  Honestly, and I realize this won't endear me to some, I have no respect for people who like him. None. Blanket statement. I call my best friend an idiot every time the discussion about Gold-Digger comes up. He liked it when it first came out, hasn't listened to it in years. He likes the song and doesn't give a crap about the man. So I'm mostly teasing him for having bad taste in music. A further blanket statement: if you like Kanye's music, you have terrible taste in music. Should probably take a pick-axe to your eardrums and do yourself a favor. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687321.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>Also Taylor Swift was practically still a kid when he ripped her apart in front of the entire world and made her feel like gak. The man is utter scum and deserves nothing but hatred and ridicule. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, and I hope no long term emotional scarring happened to her for his actions, but it's quite possible at that age and environment. <br /> <br />  Honestly, and I realize this won't endear me to some, I have no respect for people who like him. None. Blanket statement. I call my best friend an idiot every time the discussion about Gold-Digger comes up. He liked it when it first came out, hasn't listened to it in years. He likes the song and doesn't give a crap about the man. So I'm mostly teasing him for having bad taste in music. A further blanket statement: if you like Kanye's music, you have terrible taste in music. Should probably take a pick-axe to your eardrums and do yourself a favor. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> A) Considering all the crap Taylor Swift does with/for her fans, I don't know if she's exactly "Emotional Scarred".<br /> <br /> B) Kanye does make good music if you're into that sort of thing, but even his biggest fans admit he's a douche.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687321.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>Also Taylor Swift was practically still a kid when he ripped her apart in front of the entire world and made her feel like gak. The man is utter scum and deserves nothing but hatred and ridicule. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, and I hope no long term emotional scarring happened to her for his actions, but it's quite possible at that age and environment. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>LOL</span>, no. I've never seen anyone milk a "scandal" as effectively or as thoroughly as Taylor Swift did with that. She owes her current success in no small part to the high profile (and high sympathy) that incident garnered her. <br /> <br /> To be clear, he acted like a jackass, but in the long term she got an enormous boost from it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't think it's a meaningful distinction, ultimately. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Out of curiosity, was Kanye the guy responsible for the "I'm still a slave because the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't signed" routine?  One of the mechanics left that playing that when I was in COP Callahan in Baghdad, and I never did figure out who the rapper was.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687454.page"><b>BairdEC wrote:</b></a><br/>Out of curiosity, was Kanye the guy responsible for the "I'm still a slave because the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't signed" routine?  One of the mechanics left that playing that when I was in COP Callahan in Baghdad, and I never did figure out who the rapper was.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Sounds stupid enough to be Kanye so in all likelihood yes.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Are we talking about the same man who posed himself as Jesus with the Crown of Thorns on his head? <br /> <br /> With egocentricism so high that he practically forces himself into every avenue he can by stating things loudly over people?<br /> <br /> It is of course a Rock Concert however, but I can understand why people wouldn't want him due to other factors, and if enough people object well that's just the consumers rejecting something they don't want and they'll learn in the future not to perform such a mistake. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> You say:<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687104.page"><b>Computron wrote:</b></a><br/>Glastonbury is a Rock concert, Kanye is a hip hop artist, why would anyone have asked him? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The organisers say:<br /> <br /> 'To say that our headliners should be “rock” is, I think, a bit silly. Those acts never have been limited to rock, and they never will be. Stevie Wonder, the Prodigy, Curtis Mayfield, the Chemical Brothers, Jay Z, Gorillaz, Beyoncé and plenty of others prove that.']]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687321.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>Also Taylor Swift was practically still a kid when he ripped her apart in front of the entire world and made her feel like gak. The man is utter scum and deserves nothing but hatred and ridicule. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, and I hope no long term emotional scarring happened to her for his actions, but it's quite possible at that age and environment. <br /> <br />  Honestly, and I realize this won't endear me to some, I have no respect for people who like him. None. Blanket statement. I call my best friend an idiot every time the discussion about Gold-Digger comes up. He liked it when it first came out, hasn't listened to it in years. He likes the song and doesn't give a crap about the man. So I'm mostly teasing him for having bad taste in music. A further blanket statement: if you like Kanye's music, you have terrible taste in music. Should probably take a pick-axe to your eardrums and do yourself a favor. </div></blockquote><br /> I have a degree in music and play 5 instruments.  I also happen to be a Kanye fan.  I'd wager I know more about music than you.  In fact, I'm pretty much certain of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/56d19e121e3e9766a5b3998aab2ed4d6.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687265.page"><b>Bullockist wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> Beyonce is an overrated pop star that has tracks written for her by other people, unless the video was far superior (which i doubt as it probably featured beyonce in a black leotard) i don't see the separation from taylor swift, they both do the same thing (sans black leotard for one of them)</div></blockquote><br /> If you think Beyonce and Taylor Swift are the same thing, you're probably not qualified to comment.  I mean, your opinion on music is literally worthless.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687160.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>One word- MONEY<br /> <br /> Also- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> there is no real talent applied to Rap music. It's just morons flashing cash and "b*tches" and crotch grabbing nonsense. At least where other genres are concerned, there is some sense of people working bloody hard to master various musical instruments/their voice.</div></blockquote><br /> Can you rap? Scratch? Make beats?<br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ ^Good for you? You may have more knowledge, but as the Joker said: "[you have] terrible taste".*<br /> <br /> <br /> *paraphrased from "he has", Batman: Under the Red Hood. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687321.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>Also Taylor Swift was practically still a kid when he ripped her apart in front of the entire world and made her feel like gak. The man is utter scum and deserves nothing but hatred and ridicule. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, and I hope no long term emotional scarring happened to her for his actions, but it's quite possible at that age and environment. <br /> <br />  Honestly, and I realize this won't endear me to some, I have no respect for people who like him. None. Blanket statement. I call my best friend an idiot every time the discussion about Gold-Digger comes up. He liked it when it first came out, hasn't listened to it in years. He likes the song and doesn't give a crap about the man. So I'm mostly teasing him for having bad taste in music. A further blanket statement: if you like Kanye's music, you have terrible taste in music. Should probably take a pick-axe to your eardrums and do yourself a favor. </div></blockquote><br /> I have a degree in music and play 5 instruments.  I also happen to be a Kanye fan.  I'd wager I know more about music than you.  In fact, I'm pretty much certain of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/56d19e121e3e9766a5b3998aab2ed4d6.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687265.page"><b>Bullockist wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> Beyonce is an overrated pop star that has tracks written for her by other people, unless the video was far superior (which i doubt as it probably featured beyonce in a black leotard) i don't see the separation from taylor swift, they both do the same thing (sans black leotard for one of them)</div></blockquote><br /> If you think Beyonce and Taylor Swift are the same thing, you're probably not qualified to comment.  I mean, your opinion on music is literally worthless.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687160.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>One word- MONEY<br /> <br /> Also- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> there is no real talent applied to Rap music. It's just morons flashing cash and "b*tches" and crotch grabbing nonsense. At least where other genres are concerned, there is some sense of people working bloody hard to master various musical instruments/their voice.</div></blockquote><br /> Can you rap? Scratch? Make beats?<br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> As much as I respect you and your music (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>BTW</span>, when are you going to release another album like the last one?), it does not take the ability to create anything in order to critique it. Case in point; most Food Critics set fire to cereal when they put milk in it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687160.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>One word- MONEY<br /> <br /> Also- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> there is no real talent applied to Rap music. It's just morons flashing cash and "b*tches" and crotch grabbing nonsense. At least where other genres are concerned, there is some sense of people working bloody hard to master various musical instruments/their voice.</div></blockquote><br /> Can you rap? Scratch? Make beats?<br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I can't play an instrument no. But I am entitled to my opinion same as you. <br /> <br /> Rap may as well be spoken word with one of those kids books with the little "push me to make x sound" buttons in.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687883.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687160.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>One word- MONEY<br /> <br /> Also- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> there is no real talent applied to Rap music. It's just morons flashing cash and "b*tches" and crotch grabbing nonsense. At least where other genres are concerned, there is some sense of people working bloody hard to master various musical instruments/their voice.</div></blockquote><br /> Can you rap? Scratch? Make beats?<br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I can't play an instrument no. But I am entitled to my opinion same as you. <br /> <br /> Rap may as well be spoken word with one of those kids books with the little "push me to make x sound" buttons in.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> A lot of people say that about modern Metal as well.....]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 21 Mar 2015 19:39:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/59b90e1005a220e2ebc542eb9d950b1e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687546.page"><b>Orlanth wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> You say:<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687104.page"><b>Computron wrote:</b></a><br/>Glastonbury is a Rock concert, Kanye is a hip hop artist, why would anyone have asked him? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The organisers say:<br /> <br /> 'To say that our headliners should be “rock” is, I think, a bit silly. Those acts never have been limited to rock, and they never will be. Stevie Wonder, the Prodigy, Curtis Mayfield, the Chemical Brothers, Jay Z, Gorillaz, Beyoncé and plenty of others prove that.'</div></blockquote><br /> Went and listened to Prodigy after that. What utter gak, they should never have headlined either. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?</div></blockquote><br /> I see this as a defence against criticism of musicians but it's not relevant. You only need ears to have an opinion on music. If it sounds horrible to someone then they're going to consider the music bad. It's the same with art, you don't need some art or art history background to decide if something is good art, just an eye or two. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687160.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>One word- MONEY<br /> <br /> Also- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> there is no real talent applied to Rap music. It's just morons flashing cash and "b*tches" and crotch grabbing nonsense. At least where other genres are concerned, there is some sense of people working bloody hard to master various musical instruments/their voice.</div></blockquote><br /> Can you rap? Scratch? Make beats?<br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Do you have a degree in cooking? If not, what right do you have to complain that food tastes awful.<br /> <br /> <br /> You don't need to be able to do something in order to criticise it, I can tell when music is bad. I can also say when a movie is bad, but I couldn't produce a film if I tried.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ae169344f3b5ccf1320346b3e90bc790.jpeg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687993.page"><b>welshhoppo wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687160.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>One word- MONEY<br /> <br /> Also- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> there is no real talent applied to Rap music. It's just morons flashing cash and "b*tches" and crotch grabbing nonsense. At least where other genres are concerned, there is some sense of people working bloody hard to master various musical instruments/their voice.</div></blockquote><br /> Can you rap? Scratch? Make beats?<br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Do you have a degree in cooking? If not, what right do you have to complain that food tastes awful.<br /> <br /> <br /> You don't need to be able to do something in order to criticise it, I can tell when music is bad. I can also say when a movie is bad, but I couldn't produce a film if I tried.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> He's not saying that you can't.<br /> <br /> He's just saying that your opinion is weighted accordingly.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Can you rap? Scratch? Make beats?<br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You don't want to go that way to make a point. It's a logical fallacy that reflects bad upon your argumentation skills.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687857.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>^Good for you? You may have more knowledge, but as the Joker said: "[you have] terrible taste".*</div></blockquote><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit, instead of making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this (critically acclaimed, incredibly popular, multi-million-selling) thing - you do, therefore you are an idiot.'  <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688308.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this [...], therefore you are an idiot.'  </div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687883.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687160.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>One word- MONEY<br /> <br /> Also- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> there is no real talent applied to Rap music. It's just morons flashing cash and "b*tches" and crotch grabbing nonsense. At least where other genres are concerned, there is some sense of people working bloody hard to master various musical instruments/their voice.</div></blockquote><br /> Can you rap? Scratch? Make beats?<br /> <br /> Can you even play a single instrument? Anything?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I can't play an instrument no. But I am entitled to my opinion same as you. <br /> <br /> Rap may as well be spoken word with one of those kids books with the little "push me to make x sound" buttons in.</div></blockquote><br /> But see, your opinion is absolutely worthless, because, as a non-musician, you have no real concept of what goes into creating EITHER hip-hop or the music you like, (which I'm guessing is probably some form of metal), you just know what you like.  Which is fair enough.  Just don't pretend to understand how music of any genre is made, because you patently don't.  An argument from relative levels of craftsmanship is not one you are equipped to make.  Just say you don't enjoy hip-hop.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c781cabcd9c76bd2fb605f9e1d2d3d33.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688314.page"><b>Sigvatr wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688308.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this [...], therefore you are an idiot.'  </div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br /> Sorry, was that supposed to be a point? I don't have a problem with people not liking Kanye West and I don't think people who dislike him or his music are idiots, if that's what you're driving at.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b3f1a518bbfc1fdcde9fb8c5747ed661.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687867.page"><b>Slarg232 wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> As much as I respect you and your music (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>BTW</span>, when are you going to release another album like the last one?), it does not take the ability to create anything in order to critique it. </div></blockquote><br /> No but, if you're making a technical comparison about two different styles of music and making a value judgement of one of them based on your perception of the relative skill level required in order to make it <b>and you have absolutely zero musical ability whatsoever</b>, don't be surprised if a musician laughs in your face.  <br /> <br /> It just bugs me when people pretend to be discerning, when in reality they just like what they like.  <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ How about you stop telling me what you think I mean, OK? You're also veering off topic to rant at people about how you having a music degree (which you're making very good use of in your job of Financial Services) makes you superior in all music knowledge, past present and future apparently. <br /> I'm plenty fething aware of what goes into music thanks very much. Yes I like rock and metal. I also enjoy classical music and some pop stuff. All from various eras.<br /> <br /> Back on topic:<br /> So Kanye has won 21 Grammy's. Big whoop. Still doesn't make him any less of a pillock. Fine- some people who signed the petition against Kanye performing at Glasto aren't even coming/in the same country etc etc. A lot of this negativity towards the man stems from his constant need to engage in a dick measuring contest with anyone whose opinion differs from his.I could go on of course but who has the time?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688345.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>How about you stop telling me what you think I mean, OK?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> While he is doing that you could also phrase your argument differently if you don't want to be misunderstood.  As it is it seems like a a guy who doesn't like Kanye pretending to know something about crafting music instead of just saying "this isn't to my taste".]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdf74381ff5a029696b887b8aef8beff.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688345.page"><b>angelofvengeance wrote:</b></a><br/>How about you stop telling me what you think I mean, OK? You're also veering off topic to rant at people about how you having a music degree (which you're making very good use of in your job of Financial Services) makes you superior in all music knowledge, past present and future apparently. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> *sigh*<br /> <br /> I can see I'm going to have to spell this out:<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Random Person 1: I can't respect anyone that likes Kanye West.  In fact, liking Kanye West means you have terrible taste in music.<br /> <br /> Me: Well, I have a <i>degree</i> in music.  I also happen to like Kanye West.  You're being silly.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Random Person 2: Hip-hop sucks, it requires no skill, not like other types of music that actually do require skill.<br /> <br /> Me:  Do you possess ANY of those skills?  <br /> <br /> Random Person 2: No.<br /> <br /> Me:  So what qualifies you to comment on the relative levels of skill required?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I mean, this is really basic stuff, people.  Do try to keep up.<br /> <br /> And yes, I've made excellent use of my degree thanks.  I love my job.  It's interesting, impactful and reasonably well-paid, with excellent benefits.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I Hear he likes Fishsticks and Hobbits.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ While I actually agree with you, Albatross, I think your approach could be better.<br /> <br /> I think Kanye's first two albums (CD and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>) are both fantastic. Lots of really revolutionary stuff for the genre.  He actually had a lot to say with a pretty unique perspective.<br /> <br /> Graduation was okay.  It had a few solid tracks, but nothing nearly as strong as the first two albums.  Can't Tell me Nothing is probably the best track on the album, but really didn't get nearly enough play.   Stronger and Flashing lights are both good "pop-hop" tracks.<br /> <br /> I think 808s is crap.  It's an album that's basically full of a guy that can't sing trying to sing through autotune.  When the best song from the album is made better by an acapella group, there's a problem.<br /> <br /> Dark Twisted Fantasy is, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>, as strong as Late Registration, but I'm also a fan of progressive and experimental gak, which Dark Twisted absolutely is.  As such, a lot of hip hop fans hated it.  He also got the most help with this album from a lot of other very, very good artists.<br /> <br /> Yeeuz has Kanye at the height of his egocentrism, and it shows.  I don't particularly like the album, but I think Black Skinhead and New Slaves are his two strongest songs, lyrically and message-wise, since Diamonds from Sierra Leone.<br /> <br /> I can only play two instruments and sing, and don't have a degree in music at all, so my opinion probably doesn't matter.<br /> <br /> I've listened to everything he's done.  I like a fair amount of it. I still think he's a hypocritical, egotistical, POS.<br /> <br /> *This thread forced me to pull out College Dropout and Late Registration again, and wow, those two albums really hold up well.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688308.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687857.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>^Good for you? You may have more knowledge, but as the Joker said: "[you have] terrible taste".*</div></blockquote><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit, instead of making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this (critically acclaimed, incredibly popular, multi-million-selling) thing - you do, therefore you are an idiot.'  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is actually a real response to this and your previous comment to me (I was limited on time before):<br /> <br /> Having a degree in music and the ability to play 5 instruments doesn't make you a better judge of talent. Let's use this for example: I have a masters degree in English. I went to college to be an English teacher. If I said "Mat Ward is a great writer!", it would be an opinion (and a crappy one at that!), and most people would call me out for it. I can't just say "you guys are wrong because I have a degree in the subject!" Who cares? Honestly. It makes you sound like an egotist. And nobody would take that crappy attitude seriously; which is the same attitude you expressed by talking about being a better judge from your educational background. <br /> <br />  So Kanye won some Grammys. Big fething deal. Mat Ward, using my previous example, earned <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> millions of dollars in books (and through them, model) sales. That doesn't make him a great author.  <br /> <br /> And on that note, rap is poetry put to a beat. And being as my degree is in English, which dedicates a large portion of study to poetry, I'm just as qualified as you are to critique that walking gay fish.* So how do you like 'dem apples?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> *Watch South Park if you don't get the gay fish reference. I think the title is "fishsticks". ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7689871.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>While I actually agree with you, Albatross, I think your approach could be better.<br /> <br /> I think Kanye's first two albums (CD and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>) are both fantastic. Lots of really revolutionary stuff for the genre.  He actually had a lot to say with a pretty unique perspective.<br /> <br /> Graduation was okay.  It had a few solid tracks, but nothing nearly as strong as the first two albums.  Can't Tell me Nothing is probably the best track on the album, but really didn't get nearly enough play.   Stronger and Flashing lights are both good "pop-hop" tracks.<br /> <br /> I think 808s is crap.  It's an album that's basically full of a guy that can't sing trying to sing through autotune.  When the best song from the album is made better by an acapella group, there's a problem.<br /> <br /> Dark Twisted Fantasy is, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>, as strong as Late Registration, but I'm also a fan of progressive and experimental gak, which Dark Twisted absolutely is.  As such, a lot of hip hop fans hated it.  He also got the most help with this album from a lot of other very, very good artists.<br /> <br /> Yeeuz has Kanye at the height of his egocentrism, and it shows.  I don't particularly like the album, but I think Black Skinhead and New Slaves are his two strongest songs, lyrically and message-wise, since Diamonds from Sierra Leone.<br /> <br /> I can only play two instruments and sing, and don't have a degree in music at all, so my opinion probably doesn't matter.<br /> <br /> I've listened to everything he's done.  I like a fair amount of it. I still think he's a hypocritical, egotistical, POS.<br /> <br /> *This thread forced me to pull out College Dropout and Late Registration again, and wow, those two albums really hold up well.</div></blockquote><br /> I'm not saying that my opinion is super-important and that I know everything there is to know about music.  That's NOT what I'm saying.  Citing my degree was not an attempt at an argument from authority, though I get how it could look like that.  I'm not saying 'I know loads about music and I like Ye, therefore you are wrong not to like his music also'. It was merely a way to point out that liking Kanye West doesn't preclude having good taste.<br /> <br /> <br /> Incidentally, I pretty much agree 100% with the above, though by the sounds of it I like 'Graduation' slightly more than you do.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7689890.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688308.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687857.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>^Good for you? You may have more knowledge, but as the Joker said: "[you have] terrible taste".*</div></blockquote><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit, instead of making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this (critically acclaimed, incredibly popular, multi-million-selling) thing - you do, therefore you are an idiot.'  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is actually a real response to this and your previous comment to me (I was limited on time before):<br /> <br /> Having a degree in music and the ability to play 5 instruments doesn't make you a better judge of talent. Let's use this for example: I have a masters degree in English. I went to college to be an English teacher. If I said "Mat Ward is a great writer!", it would be an opinion (and a crappy one at that!), and most people would call me out for it. I can't just say "you guys are wrong because I have a degree in the subject!" Who cares? Honestly. It makes you sound like an egotist. And nobody would take that crappy attitude seriously; which is the same attitude you expressed by talking about being a better judge from your educational background. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Um, I didn't say that.  I was responding to your sweeping statements earlier.  You said that you couldn't respect the opinion of people that like Kanye's music, and went further to state that it was symptomatic of bad taste. I responded by stating that I have a degree in music, so clearly I know quite a bit about it and therefore your statement is pretty much baseless, not to mention arrogant and rude. You should have said 'I don't like Kanye West's music and I don't understand how anyone could, but then, I don't really know that much about music.'  That at least would have been accurate and wouldn't have made <i>you</i> sound like an egotist in the first instance.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688308.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687857.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>^Good for you? You may have more knowledge, but as the Joker said: "[you have] terrible taste".*</div></blockquote><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit, instead of making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this (critically acclaimed, incredibly popular, multi-million-selling) thing - you do, therefore you are an idiot.'  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You have a point Albatross, but are very close to the trap of dismissing a non professional; opinion purely on the grounds of accreditation.<br /> All too often those on the inside are the last to see with fresh vision.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Especially considering it is non professionals that buy these products.<br /> <br /> Whilst people who have expertise on a subject are often the best people to ask about it. But we all have opinions and we are all entitled to them.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687021.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(515);'>ITT</span>: Nerds wishing rock music was still relevant.  Kanye is the natural choice to headline Glastonbury.  He's the biggest artist in the world right now.<br /> <br /> So he's a bit outspoken at times, big deal.  Jimmy Page abused a 14 year old girl.  Presumably you would be OK with a reformed Led Zep playing?<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Bah.<br /> <br /> Give me Genesis (post Gabriel) or GTFO!  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You're both on crack.  Crack I say!<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I miss when people made music with instruments.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Seriously, there's only three things America does better than anyone else:<br /> <br /> 1:  Microcode (software)<br /> 2:  Rock n' roll<br /> 3:  High speed pizza delivery<br /> <br /> We're losing number one a little more each day.  Lets not forget two and three.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/59b90e1005a220e2ebc542eb9d950b1e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7690135.page"><b>Orlanth wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688308.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687857.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>^Good for you? You may have more knowledge, but as the Joker said: "[you have] terrible taste".*</div></blockquote><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit, instead of making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this (critically acclaimed, incredibly popular, multi-million-selling) thing - you do, therefore you are an idiot.'  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You have a point Albatross, but are very close to the trap of dismissing a non professional; opinion purely on the grounds of accreditation.<br /> All too often those on the inside are the last to see with fresh vision.</div></blockquote><br /> Are you all winding me up at this point!?  This isn't about me saying that I have a degree therefore I am right, and that Kanye is a great musician on that basis.  REPEAT: That is not what I'm saying.  That is not a reasonable thing to say.  I am aware of that.  I am responding to Random Person 1, who said that anyone who likes Kanye has bad taste. I have a degree in music, I therefore don't think it's reasonable to claim I have bad taste in music, simply because I enjoy 'My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy'.  I know music <i>PhDs</i> that like Kanye's music - do THEY have bad taste in music also?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691022.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br />  I have a degree in music, I therefore don't think it's reasonable to claim I have bad taste in music, simply because I enjoy 'My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy'.  I know music <i>PhDs</i> that like Kanye's music - do THEY have bad taste in music also?</div></blockquote><br /> Probably, can you explain how a piece of paper makes any difference to whether you have bad taste in music or not? You could have simply said that Kanye's fanbase was proof that he's talented instead of elitist nonsense about PhDs. <br /> Either you like a type of music or you don't, if a musician can makes millions from their music then someone is obviously doing something right.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691022.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/59b90e1005a220e2ebc542eb9d950b1e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7690135.page"><b>Orlanth wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688308.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687857.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>^Good for you? You may have more knowledge, but as the Joker said: "[you have] terrible taste".*</div></blockquote><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit, instead of making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this (critically acclaimed, incredibly popular, multi-million-selling) thing - you do, therefore you are an idiot.'  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You have a point Albatross, but are very close to the trap of dismissing a non professional; opinion purely on the grounds of accreditation.<br /> All too often those on the inside are the last to see with fresh vision.</div></blockquote><br /> Are you all winding me up at this point!?  This isn't about me saying that I have a degree therefore I am right, and that Kanye is a great musician on that basis.  REPEAT: That is not what I'm saying.  That is not a reasonable thing to say.  I am aware of that.  I am responding to Random Person 1, who said that anyone who likes Kanye has bad taste. I have a degree in music, I therefore don't think it's reasonable to claim I have bad taste in music, simply because I enjoy 'My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy'.  I know music <i>PhDs</i> that like Kanye's music - do THEY have bad taste in music also?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> No this is not a wind up.  My beef with your comments was that you told the other guy his opinion was inferior because he didn't play five instruments like you do.<br /> Its the same 'professional' Hubris that leads to calamities from WW1 generals to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> games designers, with a long detour though much of the social work profession.<br /> <br /> Playing those instruments may give you insight, but insight isn't an exclusive club for performers, one can learn to appreciate music without.  You can even be a professional musician without, even a talented one.  A lot of modern musicians cannot read sheet music, but know what they can do and some are very clearly talented.  Jay Kay is an example of this.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Never been to Glasto, probably never will. Its clearly not aimed at me.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Glastonbury is aimed at everyone that enjoys music that's the point.<br /> <br /> If you only enjoy a narrow slice of the musical spectrum then maybe it's not for you.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/59b90e1005a220e2ebc542eb9d950b1e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691086.page"><b>Orlanth wrote:</b></a><br/>My beef with your comments was that you told the other guy his opinion was inferior because he didn't play five instruments like you do.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That makes sense if, and only if, you ignore what the opinion he was referring to actually was.  It wasn't "I don't like this" or "this isn't to my taste", it was a critique of the quality of the music and the skill required to make it.<br /> <br /> <br /> The whole "people who study a thing know less than people with a random, simple opinion" is just kind of silly.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/633e1dbe93d5b78f1c9af6a7acc00942.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691185.page"><b>Bangbangboom wrote:</b></a><br/>Glastonbury is aimed at everyone that enjoys music that's the point.<br /> <br /> If you only enjoy a narrow slice of the musical spectrum then maybe it's not for you.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Way to make a huge assumption about me dude, can't say I really appreciate it. I have no musical focus, the full spectrum is open to me. <br /> Couldn't care less if Kanye is headlining if thats what you are getting at, hes a headline type act, I quite like some of his stuff even if his head is so far up his own backside he can give himself an internal dental exam. Clearly Kanye the musician/producer: good, Kanye the man: fool.  Its not aimed at me because Im not a middle class tree-toucher with more money than sense, which lets face it, THATS who it is aimed at now, consider the people who have signed a petition against him appearing. Hes not Gary Glitter now is he? First world problems, privilige checked at the gate etc etc. Also I hate tents and mud and people trying too hard to be "cool".<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7e93b4c8683f3ab78d4748b676dad5b7.jpeg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691264.page"><b>Pete Melvin wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/633e1dbe93d5b78f1c9af6a7acc00942.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691185.page"><b>Bangbangboom wrote:</b></a><br/>Glastonbury is aimed at everyone that enjoys music that's the point.<br /> <br /> If you only enjoy a narrow slice of the musical spectrum then maybe it's not for you.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Way to make a huge assumption about me dude, can't say I really appreciate it. I have no musical focus, the full spectrum is open to me. <br /> Couldn't care less if Kanye is headlining if thats what you are getting at, hes a headline type act, I quite like some of his stuff even if his head is so far up his own backside he can give himself an internal dental exam. Clearly Kanye the musician/producer: good, Kanye the man: fool.  Its not aimed at me because Im not a middle class tree-toucher with more money than sense, which lets face it, THATS who it is aimed at now, consider the people who have signed a petition against him appearing. Hes not Gary Glitter now is he? First world problems, privilige checked at the gate etc etc. Also I hate tents and mud and people trying too hard to be "cool".<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Not really getting at anything Pete.  The thread has a few areas of discussion;  Is Glasto a rock festival that shouldn't showcase other genres of music?  Is west a dick?  Is his music any good and does it require skill to make? and is albatross elitist?  <br /> <br /> I assumed that the statement that you had never been and you didn't feel it was aimed at you was to contribute to the discussion about the type of music the festival showcases.  That made more sense then you feeling the festival wasn't for you due to west's personality or skill at his profession and that one year they dared to have him headline.  And I certainly couldn't see why albatross being elitist or not would effect you reasons for attending.<br /> <br /> Maybe I should have asked why you didn't feel it was for you and then gone on to explain why I feel it is a great festival for anyone that loves music but for those who are fans of one genre only maybe they would be better of with a more specialised festival.  The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span> and Europe has festivals both big and small to cater to all tastes,  personally I feel Glastonbury offers one of the more eclectic mixes.  <br /> <br /> Then you could have told me it wasn't due to the music on offer but that you felt the festival was poor value for money and attended by people you don't like, like those trying to be cool, hippies and the middle class.<br /> <br /> I would like to add that there is not anything wrong with only liking one or a few styles of music, food, movies, art or even bath temperature and I don't feel it makes anyone a lesser person.  <br /> <br /> Also I have never really been big on Kanye but have danced to his tunes.<br /> <br />    <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> If you think Beyonce and Taylor Swift are the same thing, you're probably not qualified to comment.  I mean, your opinion on music is literally worthless.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Right, so although i outlined why i think they are the same, my opinion is completely worthless . I like what I like, and beyonce and taylor swift both hold the same position in my heart, over produced crap that is designed solely to sell. I don't have much time for it really, I'm glad you do musician god .<br />  Next time you have an opinion on something you don't have a DHD in i hope you remember this .]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So I went back and rewatched/re listened to the first thirty seconds of Gold Digger. It's still crap. Still talentless. And people who like it still have mush between their ears. I actually feel bad for those of you who like it. Try some Bad Company or Billy Joel, and see what real music is. Or Stevie Ray and/or Beethoven, if you want some serious talent from guys who are missing a sense that is pretty near impossible to make music without. Whether you like it or not, that's talent. The vile excrement that Kanye spits up is not talent. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/584ed8ff5260a27cdeb887995fa14bb3.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7690875.page"><b>daedalus wrote:</b></a><br/>Seriously, there's only three things America does better than anyone else.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Now, now... The USA is a huge country with a huge and diverse population and a lot of the biggest music corporations. It's only natural that they produce 75% of the garbage if they produce 75% of the "main stream" music total. Much of the noise pollution I detest is American, but some of the best artists are also American. The average American might not even know heavy metal exists, but two of my favorite bands are from the US. Iced Earth and Nile. There is quality to be found, you just have to look for it. <br /> <br /> As for the topic, Kanye sure isn't my cup of tea. But if someone wants to pay to see him it's not my place to forbid it. Those who pay see him, those who don't can avoid him. Fair deal for all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Boy's done good for being a talentless hack.<br /> <br /> From wikipedia<br /> <br /> West is one of the world's best-selling artists of all time, having sold more than 21 million albums and 66 million digital downloads.[2] He has won a total of 21 Grammy Awards, making him one of the most awarded artists of all-time and the most Grammy-awarded artist of his age.[3] Time named West one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2005 and 2011. He has also been included in a number of Forbes annual lists.[4] Three of his albums rank on Rolling Stone's 2012 "500 Greatest Albums of All Time" list.<br /> <br /> /<br /> <br /> You may feel what he does has no merit as art.  But that doesn't mean he is talentless.   Fact is he has a talent for making music that people want to buy.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691830.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>So I went back and rewatched/re listened to the first thirty seconds of Gold Digger. It's still crap. Still talentless. And people who like it still have mush between their ears. I actually feel bad for those of you who like it. Try some Bad Company or Billy Joel, and see what real music is. Or Stevie Ray and/or Beethoven, if you want some serious talent from guys who are missing a sense that is pretty near impossible to make music without. Whether you like it or not, that's talent. The vile excrement that Kanye spits up is not talent. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Someone light up the Albatross Signal!<br /> <br /> Is this thread a merry go round?<br /> <br /> Billy Joel Is a talent-less hack and anyone that likes him diddles animals.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/633e1dbe93d5b78f1c9af6a7acc00942.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691945.page"><b>Bangbangboom wrote:</b></a><br/>Boy's done good for being a talentless hack.<br /> <br /> From wikipedia<br /> <br /> West is one of the world's best-selling artists of all time, having sold more than 21 million albums and 66 million digital downloads.[2] He has won a total of 21 Grammy Awards, making him one of the most awarded artists of all-time and the most Grammy-awarded artist of his age.[3] Time named West one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2005 and 2011. He has also been included in a number of Forbes annual lists.[4] Three of his albums rank on Rolling Stone's 2012 "500 Greatest Albums of All Time" list.<br /> <br /> /<br /> <br /> You may feel what he does has no merit as art.  But that doesn't mean he is talentless.   Fact is he has a talent for making music that people want to buy.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Reality tv shows are amongst the more popular type of programs on tv as well, does that make them pieces of art?<br /> <br /> I haven't heard of a single thing made by West that isn't absolute garbage, just because it sells well doesn't make it any less garbage.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well for starters I never said it was art just that some may feel it has no value as art.  The point I was making is that he obviously has talent.  <br /> <br /> But yes there is a certain artistry in reality Tv and I hate it and find the shows boring.   But the producers, directors, editors and quite amusingly for a reality TV show, writers, all work to craft an item that will sell.  As you have noted yourself they appear to do this well.<br /> <br /> But even if you believe celebratory big brother 27 has zero artistic merit what of the pioneers of reality tv?  Early seasons of the real world and the social experiment and later documentry "we live in public" do these have no artist merit? Can you really write of all reality tv shows as artless?<br /> <br /> Can an item produced just to make money be considered art?<br /> <br /> Is that what kanye is doing? maybe now but probably not and I very much doubt it at the start of his career. <br /> <br /> We aren't really here to discuss what is art and even if we were we would never agree but feel free to start a new thread to discuss it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7692020.page"><b>PhantomViper wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> I haven't heard of a single thing made by West that isn't absolute garbage, just because it sells well doesn't make it any less garbage.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think this has more to do with your appreciation of hip-hop as a genre than it does on Kanye's music.<br /> <br /> While (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>) he's a middling lyricist at best, he's done a lot with hip hop production that has pushed the genre forward in a number of ways.  While melding genre's has been done in the past (see: Walk This Way, etc.), West has done it with a lot of different genres that continue to push hip-hop forward.<br /> <br /> I think a lot of screamy rock is garbage.  My ears do not like it.  But that doesn't prevent me from recognizing that those guys can play the hell out of their instruments and that their horrible gravelly "singing" isn't absolutely a difficult skill.  I'm consistently amazed how they can do it without shredding their voices.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7692020.page"><b>PhantomViper wrote:</b></a><br/>I haven't heard of a single thing made by West that isn't absolute garbage, just because it sells well doesn't make it any less garbage.</div></blockquote>Do you have a single objective metric to support your assertion that his music is garbage?<br /> <br /> Anyway, this entire thread is pretty hilarious. People are getting beheaded in the middle east, but Kanye West is "garbage" and "a worthless human being" because he talks smack at music awards. Yeah okay.<br /> <br /> As if we needed more proof that Dakka Dakka's primary demographic is basically Hank Hill. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/59b90e1005a220e2ebc542eb9d950b1e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691086.page"><b>Orlanth wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691022.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/59b90e1005a220e2ebc542eb9d950b1e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7690135.page"><b>Orlanth wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7688308.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687857.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>^Good for you? You may have more knowledge, but as the Joker said: "[you have] terrible taste".*</div></blockquote><br /> On the contrary, having a deeper understanding of music means I am able to appreciate different styles and genres on their own merit, instead of making moronic statements to the effect of 'I don't like this (critically acclaimed, incredibly popular, multi-million-selling) thing - you do, therefore you are an idiot.'  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You have a point Albatross, but are very close to the trap of dismissing a non professional; opinion purely on the grounds of accreditation.<br /> All too often those on the inside are the last to see with fresh vision.</div></blockquote><br /> Are you all winding me up at this point!?  This isn't about me saying that I have a degree therefore I am right, and that Kanye is a great musician on that basis.  REPEAT: That is not what I'm saying.  That is not a reasonable thing to say.  I am aware of that.  I am responding to Random Person 1, who said that anyone who likes Kanye has bad taste. I have a degree in music, I therefore don't think it's reasonable to claim I have bad taste in music, simply because I enjoy 'My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy'.  I know music <i>PhDs</i> that like Kanye's music - do THEY have bad taste in music also?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> No this is not a wind up.  My beef with your comments was that you told the other guy his opinion was inferior because he didn't play five instruments like you do.<br /> Its the same 'professional' Hubris that leads to calamities from WW1 generals to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> games designers, with a long detour though much of the social work profession.<br /> <br /> Playing those instruments may give you insight, but insight isn't an exclusive club for performers, one can learn to appreciate music without.  You can even be a professional musician without, even a talented one.  A lot of modern musicians cannot read sheet music, but know what they can do and some are very clearly talented.  Jay Kay is an example of this.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Again though, you're either misunderstanding me or I'm not being sufficiently clear - probably a bit of both, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>tbh</span>.  I'm not saying my opinion on what constitutes 'good' music is any better or worse than anyone else's.  The point about being an instrumentalist was in response to someone saying that hip-hop requires little or no skill.  That is patently untrue.  Rapping is NOT easy.  Beatmaking is NOT easy.  Scratching is NOT easy.  They are all skills in their own right, and I feel comfortable stating that my opinion as a musician has more to back it up in this area than someone who cannot play a single instrument.  People just want to be special snowflakes and not have their opinions challenged.  Well, not all opinions are equal, sorry.  Not on everything.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/633e1dbe93d5b78f1c9af6a7acc00942.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691515.page"><b>Bangbangboom wrote:</b></a><br/> ...and is albatross elitist? </div></blockquote><br /> Absolutely.  I'm an elitist jerk-off, an insufferable dick and I just sold my Ork army so I'm essentially just here for the lulz at this point.<br /> <br /> <br /> All of those things are both true and untrue at the same time.  Except the part about my Orks.  They'll be fighting Nightmare Battles (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(448);'>tm</span>) in someone else's cupboard from now on.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/56d19e121e3e9766a5b3998aab2ed4d6.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691579.page"><b>Bullockist wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687797.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> If you think Beyonce and Taylor Swift are the same thing, you're probably not qualified to comment.  I mean, your opinion on music is literally worthless.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Right, so although i outlined why i think they are the same, my opinion is completely worthless . I like what I like, and beyonce and taylor swift both hold the same position in my heart, over produced crap that is designed solely to sell. I don't have much time for it really, I'm glad you do musician god.</div></blockquote><br /> Don't catch feelings there, Bruce.  I don't have any problem whatsoever with you liking what you like.  I don't have a problem with your opinion of them as occupying the same 'over-produced crap' space, if that's what floats your boat.  I don't EVEN have a problem with you saying that they are the same thing, just as long as you are aware that it's not an accurate statement and invalidates your opinion on music.  Are there points of intersection?  Sure thing.  That doesn't make them the 'same thing'.  They are distinct artists, stylistically.  That should be obvious to even casual listeners.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691830.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>Try some Bad Company or Billy Joel, and see what real music is. </div></blockquote><br /> I've seen Billy Joel live.  Kanye puts on a better show.  <br /> <br /> <br /> Incidentally, you have appalling taste.  Seriously, Bad Company?  Not Free? Ugh.  I bet you prefer Wings to the Beatles don't you, you absolute peasant...<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/b3ae9cf68ec71745d6b110374d581299.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7692340.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7692020.page"><b>PhantomViper wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> I haven't heard of a single thing made by West that isn't absolute garbage, just because it sells well doesn't make it any less garbage.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think this has more to do with your appreciation of hip-hop as a genre than it does on Kanye's music.<br /> <br /> While (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>) he's a middling lyricist at best, he's done a lot with hip hop production that has pushed the genre forward in a number of ways.  While melding genre's has been done in the past (see: Walk This Way, etc.), West has done it with a lot of different genres that continue to push hip-hop forward.<br /> <br /> I think a lot of screamy rock is garbage.  My ears do not like it.  But that doesn't prevent me from recognizing that those guys can play the hell out of their instruments and that their horrible gravelly "singing" isn't absolutely a difficult skill.  I'm consistently amazed how they can do it without shredding their voices.</div></blockquote><br /> Seriously, how is this irony lost on everyone but cincydooley?  People in the mainstream absolutely <i>excoriate</i> metal for being talentless crap, just noise, requires no talent etc.  Now, go ahead and ask a metal fan what he/she thinks of hip-hop...  Same answer.  I often wonder how those people reconcile the two positions.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Kanye is better than Bad Company and Billy Joel? Hahahahahahahaha. Thanks. I needed that laugh. You really had me going, until this comment. I actually believed you liked Kanye and were serious, until you said that and proved you were trolling all along. Good show, sir. <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7692947.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>Kanye is better than Bad Company and Billy Joel?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> He is better than Bad Company, though that is collectively when you consider Kanye West is just Kanye West and Bad Company is about 30 people over four plus decades; their hits are almost that old as well.  Bad Company is a staple of classic rock and not adult or contemporary for a reason.  <br /> <br /> Billy Joel and Kanye West really don't make the same kind of music but both have had big impacts on the music scene.  I don't think anyone has argued that Kanye West isn't a POS as a person, but his music is different.  Billy Joel has had some personal problems as well <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>tbh</span>.  I don't like Roman Polanksi as a person but <i>Chinatown</i> is a fascinating film.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7692947.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>Kanye is better than Bad Company and Billy Joel? Hahahahahahahaha. Thanks. I needed that laugh. You really had me going, until this comment. I actually believed you liked Kanye and were serious, until you said that and proved you were trolling all along. Good show, sir. <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good:<br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Baby, if I think about you, I think about love<br /> Darlin' if I live without you, I live without love<br /> And if I had the sun and moon, we will shine them<br /> I would give you both night and day of satisfyn'<br /> <br /> Feel like makin'<br /> Feel like makin' love<br /> Feel like makin' love<br /> Feel like makin' love<br /> Feel like makin' love to you</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Garbage:<br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Inter century anthems based off inner city tantrums<br /> Based off the way we was branded<br /> Face it, Jerome get more time than Brandon<br /> And at the airport they check all through my bag<br /> And tell me that it’s random<br /> But we stay winning, this week has been a bad massage<br /> I need a happy ending and a new beginning<br /> And a new fitted, and some job opportunities that's lucrative<br /> This the real world, homie, school finished<br /> They done stole your dreams, you dunno who did it<br /> I treat the cash the way the government treats AIDS<br /> I won’t be satisfied til all my n****s get it, get it?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Apparently.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7692020.page"><b>PhantomViper wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/633e1dbe93d5b78f1c9af6a7acc00942.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7691945.page"><b>Bangbangboom wrote:</b></a><br/>Boy's done good for being a talentless hack.<br /> <br /> From wikipedia<br /> <br /> West is one of the world's best-selling artists of all time, having sold more than 21 million albums and 66 million digital downloads.[2] He has won a total of 21 Grammy Awards, making him one of the most awarded artists of all-time and the most Grammy-awarded artist of his age.[3] Time named West one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2005 and 2011. He has also been included in a number of Forbes annual lists.[4] Three of his albums rank on Rolling Stone's 2012 "500 Greatest Albums of All Time" list.<br /> <br /> /<br /> <br /> You may feel what he does has no merit as art.  But that doesn't mean he is talentless.   Fact is he has a talent for making music that people want to buy.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Reality tv shows are amongst the more popular type of programs on tv as well, does that make them pieces of art?<br /> <br /> I haven't heard of a single thing made by West that isn't absolute garbage, just because it sells well doesn't make it any less garbage.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Technically speaking? Yes, reality TV is art.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah, the very existence of reality tv bears meaning.  It often throws up interesting conceptual questions about the nature of voyuerism, human interaction, the intersection of personality and media, capitalism etc.  I occasionally find it compelling, but then I suppose that's the point.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7693136.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Baby, if I think about you, I think about love<br /> Darlin' if I live without you, I live without love<br /> And if I had the sun and moon, we will shine them<br /> I would give you both night and day of satisfyn'<br /> <br /> Feel like makin'<br /> Feel like makin' love<br /> Feel like makin' love<br /> Feel like makin' love<br /> Feel like makin' love to you</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Garbage:<br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Inter century anthems based off inner city tantrums<br /> Based off the way we was branded<br /> Face it, Jerome get more time than Brandon<br /> And at the airport they check all through my bag<br /> And tell me that it’s random<br /> But we stay winning, this week has been a bad massage<br /> I need a happy ending and a new beginning<br /> And a new fitted, and some job opportunities that's lucrative<br /> This the real world, homie, school finished<br /> They done stole your dreams, you dunno who did it<br /> I treat the cash the way the government treats AIDS<br /> I won’t be satisfied til all my n****s get it, get it?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Apparently.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> By an arugment based upon quality of lyrics alone, I feel like instrumentals must be the worst kind of music.  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I know Bad Company had a few band changes over the year, but the stylistics I was most used to were around the time of Holy Water. Which was a brilliant album. I stole my dad's copy when I was a kid and never returned it. They covered love, gang fights and loss, and everything inbetween on that album. But, if <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span> is not your thing, argue that Journey or The Eagles are worse than Kanye. Boston. Led Zepplin. Lynard Skynard. Ozzy/Black Sabbath.<br /> <br />  I'm not even listing my favorite bands, because my favorites are in a small niche: I like Offspring and Alkaline Trio. Top two bands. But I'm leaving them out of the running, because I know they don't even hold a candle to some of the big dogs. And I accept that. <br /> <br /> Actually, your liking Kanye given the fact that Kanye doesn't play an instrument at all is the biggest shock, what with your appreciation and background. I would think you'd consider people who can sing and play an instrument (or many) would deserve more praise than a guy who can only do beatbox poetry with a heavy amount of cursing. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7693274.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>I know Bad Company had a few band changes over the year, but the stylistics I was most used to were around the time of Holy Water. Which was a brilliant album. I stole my dad's copy when I was a kid and never returned it. They covered love, gang fights and loss, and everything inbetween on that album. But, if <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span> is not your thing, argue that Journey or The Eagles are worse than Kanye. Boston. Led Zepplin. Lynard Skynard. Ozzy/Black Sabbath.<br /> <br />  I'm not even listing my favorite bands, because my favorites are in a small niche: I like Offspring and Alkaline Trio. Top two bands. But I'm leaving them out of the running, because I know they don't even hold a candle to some of the big dogs. And I accept that. <br /> <br /> Actually, your liking Kanye given the fact that Kanye doesn't play an instrument at all is the biggest shock, what with your appreciation and background. I would think you'd consider people who can sing and play an instrument (or many) would deserve more praise than a guy who can only do beatbox poetry with a heavy amount of cursing. </div></blockquote><br /> Actually, he does play keys.  Also, composing and performing with a DAW is certainly comparable to playing an instrument, take it from me.  I can do both.  Not that that should sway your opinion, of course.  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> He also composes <i>and</i> produces pretty much all of his own material, a considerable back-catalogue in fairly short space of time, the vast majority of which has been subject to critical acclaim and widespread commercial success.  That's not to be sniffed at.  Many artists don't do both of those things, certainly none of the artists you've mentioned thus far.  The Beatles certainly didn't for example.  You certainly can't reasonably call Kanye West untalented.  Dislike his music?  That's your prerogative.  Think he's a jerk-off?  Reasonable.<br /> <br /> Untalented?  That's just not accurate.  It's objectively a factually incorrect statement.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Also, Offspring?  Really?<br /> <br /> <br /> Do yourself a favour, go buy 'London Calling'.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7693274.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>I know Bad Company had a few band changes over the year, but the stylistics I was most used to were around the time of Holy Water. Which was a brilliant album. I stole my dad's copy when I was a kid and never returned it. They covered love, gang fights and loss, and everything inbetween on that album. But, if <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span> is not your thing, argue that Journey or The Eagles are worse than Kanye. Boston. Led Zepplin. Lynard Skynard. Ozzy/Black Sabbath.<br /> <br />  I'm not even listing my favorite bands, because my favorites are in a small niche: I like Offspring and Alkaline Trio. Top two bands. But I'm leaving them out of the running, because I know they don't even hold a candle to some of the big dogs. And I accept that.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Those are enjoyable bands, but I think you're still softballing him, minus maybe Sabbath or or Zep.  I might just be channeling my hatred of the Eagles though.  I was thinking someone generally lyrically sophisticated, yet still capable of playing instruments, like the Decemberists or Flobots.  To think, there was once a time when you got made fun of for not playing your own instruments.<br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Actually, your liking Kanye given the fact that Kanye doesn't play an instrument at all is the biggest shock, what with your appreciation and background. I would think you'd consider people who can sing and play an instrument (or many) would deserve more praise than a guy who can only do beatbox poetry with a heavy amount of cursing. </div></blockquote><br /> He must be the singer <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would also like to add Orianthi (the guitarist for Michael Jackson in later years) and Freddy Mercury to the more talented list. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>Lol</span>. <br /> <br /> Actually, on a subject NOT related to Kanye, Orianthi is probably the most talented guitarist I've had the pleasure of hearing since Kenny Wayne Shepherd (was said to be "the next Jimi Hendrix"). The girl is fantastic, blows away all competition. Michael Jackson had serious talent on the stage with him. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/584ed8ff5260a27cdeb887995fa14bb3.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7693377.page"><b>daedalus wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Those are enjoyable bands, but I think you're still softballing him, minus maybe Sabbath or or Zep.  I might just be channeling my hatred of the Eagles though.  I was thinking someone generally lyrically sophisticated, yet still capable of playing instruments, like the Decemberists or Flobots.  To think, there was once a time when you got made fun of for not playing your own instruments.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Albatross.<br /> WHat I think when I'm thinking of people that push the boundaries is Fiona Apple specifically "When the pawn....." I'll never forget when i was listening to that album in a commercial kitchen  ( at one point i used to listen to it almost every day- it resonates with me majorly) when the  general manager of the hotel when hearing "on the bound" came running in declaring " that's a real artist...who is that?" funny thing was he was about 55 at the time, cool guy too.I was about 20, i still like thinking i turned him on to fiona apple.<br /> That is an album that resonates with me, something that beyonce can never do. Fiona gives me something i can't expect, beyonce gives me something i can expect. EVen when beyonce does something chancy like " I am sasha feirce" she still did a commercial album as collateral.<br /> I still think one of the best tracks ever is fiona apple and johhny cash as their voices seem to dance around each other but whilst  delivering an emotional hammer.<br /> <br /> For me the magic of song is emotional, not notes. My teenage years were spent listening to punk and Ska in sydney a la, frenzal rhomb, nancy vandal, the blitz babies, viscious hairy mary, gilgamesh, toe to toe, the porkers.and a lot more.<br /> I listen to all things from jazz to death metal so your comment that my opinion is worthless  can go get fethed.<br /> I like gak from fear factory to the beastie boys. I don't think i can get any more eclectic than that. I just want something that lifts me, surprises me  depresess me or amuses me. beyonce doesn't do anything like that for me apart from one song ( interestingly i can't remember it)<br /> thus as something that connects with me minimally, taylor swift and beyonce occupy the same spot. I like rawness and soul and hilarity. Over produced gak just doesn't do it for me - it's produced to sell. The beastie boys is an exception, i think i just enjoy the anti-hip hop hip hop (eg the lack of cock hip hop)<br /> As a positive to making this post i just listened to elvis costello for te 2nd time and i loved it. I thank you for that albatross.<br /> <br /> All my mates who were in bands didn't differentiate between their music tastes and others...perhaps there's something in a PHD<br /> or a DHD]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/56d19e121e3e9766a5b3998aab2ed4d6.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7694503.page"><b>Bullockist wrote:</b></a><br/>. I like rawness and soul and hilarity.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You need to broaden your horizons considerably if you're having trouble finding these things in hip hop.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Cincy ,my hip hop tends to end with Public enemy an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>de</span> la soul as i hate the whole cash, cock, bitches,gang, hip hop angle. THat said the best album I ever listened to was 3 feet high and rising whilst on acid.<br /> <br /> Every time i try to listen to modern hip hop it gets compared and well the latest kanye single had me thinking " who the feth is this, has to be the worst rapper ever" I was expecting some new group, nah was kanye. LYricist extrordinaire.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/56d19e121e3e9766a5b3998aab2ed4d6.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7694532.page"><b>Bullockist wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Every time i try to listen to modern hip hop it gets compared and well the latest kanye single had me thinking " who the feth is this, has to be the worst rapper ever" I was expecting some new group, nah was kanye. LYricist extrordinaire.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I see what you're saying, but I'd argue you can still find that in a lot of good, modern hip hop.<br /> <br /> People like Logic, Kendrick Lamar (mostly), Atmosphere (and anyone signed to Rhymesayers, really), Grieves, Murs, etc....  There's lots of good, "intelligent," full of soul, hip hop out there.  And if your'e looking for intelligence and hilarity, there are artists like Lil Dicky and Watsky.<br /> <br /> I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are lots of good hip hop artists performing today that don't make mainstream radio.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Can Billy Joel and hip-hop ever co-exist?  In this thread, anything is possible...<br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NzCukmO4fhg?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <br /> Pay close attention to the first line of the first verse...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Kanye West headlining Canterbury!?!?!<br /> <br /> Hell and a hand basket!  These kids today...I tell ya!  Get your ball of my lawn!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I do not understand why people are so worked up against Kanye. He apparently has made a few dickish statement, so what? Hardly the worst. And actually, I do not even know how his music sound, so I am not going to comment on it.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f692295cdaea1bc1310d1ff27d7a068c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7687021.page"><b>Albatross wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(515);'>ITT</span>: Nerds wishing rock music was still relevant.  Kanye is the natural choice to headline Glastonbury.  He's the biggest artist in the world right now.<br /> <br /> So he's a bit outspoken at times, big deal.  Jimmy Page abused a 14 year old girl.  Presumably you would be OK with a reformed Led Zep playing?</div></blockquote><br /> Listen, I think you are a great guy and Imma let you finish, but rock music is the best music of all time. OF ALL TIME!<br /> Nah, seriously, listen to <a href="https://www.jamendo.com/fr/list/a121193/evil-must-die" target="_new" rel="nofollow">that</a>! Instant musigasm.<br /> (Does the second track not count as rap, though?)<br /> <br /> So those stupid rock/metal vs rap/hip hop debate happens in the U.S. too? Damn! Cannot we just reach hands and all listen to Insane Clown Posse together <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ?<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/584ed8ff5260a27cdeb887995fa14bb3.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/640800/7690875.page"><b>daedalus wrote:</b></a><br/>Seriously, there's only three things America does better than anyone else:<br /> <br /> 1:  Microcode (software)<br /> 2:  Rock n' roll<br /> 3:  High speed pizza delivery</div></blockquote><br /> I respectfully disagree. About 2, I have no idea for 1 and 3.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ He actually reminds me a bit of John Lennon.  Ego-maniac rock star, no filter between his brain and his lips, hated by many in the older generation, and heralded as a genius by both himself and his fans.<br /> <br /> <br /> (no attempt of comparing their musical abilities/talent/merit intended)]]></description>
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