http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net OP to have taking Haemonculi put wracks back in the Troops section and to have Wyches be able to take Haywire Greandes again? What other chanegs would you possibly like to see made to the Dark Eldar codex units that you think are lacking in power or have too much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083500.page GMT OP. Those changes I think are needed to make wyches better again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083532.page GMT
Vehicles are already quite bad, and glancing stuff to death is the issue that is presented. Cheap units running around with haywire grenades will be the bane of certain metas.

what about making wyches WS5 and giving them furious charge base, or allowing them to assault after running and giving them an ability that allows all their tansports to move another 3"?

just ideas. Frankly, I don't think they are bad currently, they work as distraction, linebreaker, HQ bodyguard, or an HQ delivery unit.

Their only issue is overwatch, and against heavier units they can't do enough damage with only S3, but they will almost always hit first, almost always get there (awesome transports), they can assault out of said awesome transports, and they are one of the few units with assault grenades.

Wracks on the other hand, I don't see why not. its not OP, and it doesn't destroy the average meta.

just my $0.02, feel free to disagree, and I would love to hear your opinion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083611.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083748.page GMT HW Grenades. Any other DE units anybody feels is really underpowered, or is it a surprisingly balanced book?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083781.page GMT
I like the dodge save idea though, I think they are still worth using in game.

And even if I am overhyping them, then they are awesome models and a really fun kit to assemble.

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I would also find a way to repace Combat Drugs with something. Random tables are just awful for the game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083895.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083895.page GMT
Or maybe change the drug chart to look more like the psychic powers. Give a primis ability and the others based off the die roll. Where you could always choose the primis ability if the rolled power is less than ideal for the unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8083946.page GMT
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If you want wyches to be decent anti vehicle units, give them armor bane instead. They are adept at boarding enemy vehicles, slipping inside, and disposing of the poor bastards driving the thing in tight confines. (Weapon destroyed and immobilized give results are them killing the pilots /gunners, crew shaken/stunned is the crew having to take the time to seal hatches and get back into position) without ap2+ they can't explode it, but I always liked the idea of a pile of wyches clamoring over a tank legolas style to stab out peoples eyes and what not.

With the average roll being 10, you also wouldn't have them wrecking big walkers in melee all the time either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8085945.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8085945.page GMT
hellions however need a lot more to be good, that being a 4+ armour, and better shooting or CC ability. As the jack of trades cult units (reavers being better at tearing up vehicles or heavy infantry, and wyches being foot troops). They do it terribly, as the cult units are not made for shooting so some meh shooting for the unit point coast doesn't make them worth it in my eyes.
They won't be able to make it intp combat or shooting range because they are t3 5+ save models,

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Wyches need so many changes that a house rule or two won't cut it. They were a finesse unit that became pseudo effective against armour when taken en masse but was still countered with bubble wrap and still suffered from explosions and so on.

However there are plenty of great units in the book and I feel many people only touch the surface of what the army can do which is why it gets the complaints it does. That and against the dirtiest of lists a pure DE force is not in quite the same league without tailoring.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8086157.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/661791/8086157.page GMT