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The reason they act as they do is that their Farseers are convinced that Tyranids/Orks/Necrons (I haven't worked out which) will destroy all in the galaxy unless humans, tau and eldar set aside their differences and coordinate a defense. They are driven to attempt to unify these factions in some way. The problem is the Imperium, other Eldar, and even Tau keep backstabbing them. They have been significantly harmed by those they try to ally with and because of this rely more and more on wraith constructs as they fight. Their struggle is a hopeless one because the factions will never unite, but they can't abandon their path because they know that if they fail the galaxy is doomed.

They still have the Eldar arrogance which interferes with their efforts, but they won't simply sacrifice a hundred human worlds to save an Exodite one. They'll still try to manipulate events which trends to undercut their efforts at times.

That's the basic framework. So, too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8118460.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8118460.page GMT Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever?
I think, from an Eldar perspective, they come off as naive rather than Mary Sue. The idea that the lesser races will screw them rather than cooperate is something the rest of the Eldar already know.

If the leaders of your craftworld are young, or idealistic, this can make sense. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119311.page GMT Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever?
they are naive to a fault is always a fun angle. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119319.page GMT Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119324.page GMT Re:Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119386.page GMT Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119425.page GMT Re:Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever?
Iracundus wrote:
Alternatively they could also go down the embittered path of forcing others to work together (with Eldar as the leaders and guidance of course) if they cannot willing do so themselves. In typical Eldar fashion, this may be done through manipulation as much as overt domination, such as through manipulating events to support those more sympathetic to their cause.


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 Jimsolo wrote:
...If the leaders of your craftworld are young, or idealistic, this can make sense.


I'm leaning towards aged, but didn't go into my thinking there. My thought is they feel in their gut that this is a hopeless venture, probably hate working with or for Mon-Keigh, but every time they look into the future, the only glimmer of hope comes if they push for this goal. They are aged, tired, even resentful of what they have to do, but see no alternative.

Young, naive is a different angle though. Have to give it a think. Two paths to the same end. Wonder which presents more interesting possibilities. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8119438.page GMT Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever?
 dusara217 wrote:
If anything, this is too un-Mary Sue. You need to have them, at the very least, succeeding in uniting a few lesser species.


I like this chain of thought.

Your leaders don't need to be idealistic to believe that they have to unite other races or perish in the face of the Tyranids. You could well have a Farseer powerful enough to do a Tiberiuys, or saw the extent of the threat posed by the Hive Mind, but knew they had no choice. The result is that they still see Mon-Keigh as apes, and the cousins as degenerates, but swallow their differences because they see it as necessary. You could even set them up as successors of the Cabal.

With regards to unifying a few lesser races, you could pull in some Demiurg as a good place to start. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8120108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8120108.page GMT Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever?
 Ketara wrote:
he result is that they still see Mon-Keigh as apes, and the cousins as degenerates, but swallow their differences because they see it as necessary. You could even set them up as successors of the Cabal.

With regards to unifying a few lesser races, you could pull in some Demiurg as a good place to start.

Do they have Demiurg models?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8120812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8120812.page GMT Re:Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever?
You'd also need to consider whether your Craftworld is doing this through open diplomatic means, back-door channels or a mixture? Do they rely on trade, intimidation, blackmailing, crystal-ball-political-advice, hostages? Do the races they unite even attribute their co-operation to the Eldar?

One thing you could point out is that the Eldar see so many future threats as blindingly obvious, but the other races they are in contact with are obstinately oblivious to them until it's too late (or almost too late if the day is saved).

"GREENSKIN WAAAGH IMMINENT!
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 dusara217 wrote:
 Ketara wrote:
he result is that they still see Mon-Keigh as apes, and the cousins as degenerates, but swallow their differences because they see it as necessary. You could even set them up as successors of the Cabal.

With regards to unifying a few lesser races, you could pull in some Demiurg as a good place to start.

Do they have Demiurg models?


No. No, there are not. :( ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8122143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8122143.page GMT Too noble bright, Mary Sue or whatever?
 dusara217 wrote:
 Ketara wrote:
he result is that they still see Mon-Keigh as apes, and the cousins as degenerates, but swallow their differences because they see it as necessary. You could even set them up as successors of the Cabal.

With regards to unifying a few lesser races, you could pull in some Demiurg as a good place to start.

Do they have Demiurg models?


Demiurg are easy enough to pull in 'counts as' models for. You've got Mantic's Forgefather range:




Bob Olley's Scrunts




Old Squats, Inso style.



Or even suitably modified Warhammer Dwarves, OkkiW style.






So yes. Plenty to choose from.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8122450.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/663594/8122450.page GMT