chaos0xomega wrote:Is this what 30k/40k looks like now? Between the two of you I count a total of 27 models that *werent* vehicles or special characters in a 3500 pt game. Thats absolutely stupid. Not saying you're stupid, just that if thats what the game has come to (its been a couple years since I last played) then I should just sell off the last of my crap now.

Col. Dash wrote:Arent Knights outside of an actual Knight list considered a LoW? He is only allowed one LoW in his army.

The more points you play the better a 30k list does even though his is barely a 30k list with all the knights he added in. You are at a major disadvantage unless you simply balls to the wall charged him. He likely has ceramite on all of his vehicles negating your thermal cannons.

Not to be mean, but your list kinda weird. Knowing you are playing 3500 points which involves massive firepower, you still brought 11 guys who pretty much anything that cant scratch a knight will unload on. Legions have massive amounts of firepower. Something tells me you brought battlecannons and thermal cannons which likely did very little to his army outside of the assault squad which also suffered from carrying a big "HIT ME" sign. You would have been better off either with an extra close combat knight, some dev squads, or heavy hitting tanks of your own.

But just remember, 3500 points is for funsies anyways. Its Apoc and not really a competitive game. Drop down to 2000 and you will be on par with a 30k legion for a real game.

Tannhauser42 wrote:Offhand, the 30K list was illegal. From the looks of it, the IF were the allied detachment (with only one troops choice), and I'm fairly sure allied detachments do not get a LOW, which would make the Glaive an illegal choice. He also had 4 heavy supports in there. But, I suppose it's possible be was using an alternative force org (there are a couple) or a Rite of War if one allows him to change his army make up like that, I would have to verify with my books later.

Additionally, when the Glaive's main gun hits a vehicle, it has the haywire rule, so if your opponent was trying to get his normal S8 hits and haywire hits on your vehicles, he was doing it wrong, you only get the haywire hits.

I really hate it when 30K players try to cheat (intentionally or mistakenly) against 40K players; it makes the rest of us look bad and only makes the Forgeworld stigma worse.