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SJ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8132308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8132308.page GMT Re:Grey Knights help

the_Armyman wrote:
Draigo, two ML3 Libbys, 2-3 Termie squads, 2-3 Dreadknights with personal teleporters, maybe sprinkle in a Strom Raven and a squad of Purifiers for lulz. Run Nemesis Strike Force formation. Deep Strike in enemy's face. Win?

This. Completely agree.

Essential for a Grey Knight army:

- Draigo
-ML3 librarian
-Terminator squads
- At least 2 DreadKnights

Build the rest of the army around the above depending on how you want to play them. I run something similar to what the_Armyman says and find my Stormraven really useful for long range firepower support (something lacking in the Grey Knight codex). I'm thinking that a squad of Purifiers equipped with Falchions charging out of the Storm Raven could be fun to play and work well with the draigo/librarian/terminator/dreadknight backbone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8132740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8132740.page GMT Grey Knights help
The paladins make a good pure deathstar with draigo and the librarian. You can also throw in the brocap and have I think like 4 psycannons then. So you drop in and light something up. Light em up again the next turn and destroy in CC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8132941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8132941.page GMT Grey Knights help CC either.

What are some of the tactics and things you want to be doing on the table? What squad does Draigo go in, and what powers are the Libby's fishing for? Also, what should you be doing if the enemy happens to be a Grav heavy battle company, of example?

This GK commander needs help

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Hawkeye888 wrote:
brother-captains and paladins are useful too.

If by useful you mean good for a friendly game where you're intentionally nerfing yourself because you're playing against an unexperience player, then yeah.

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whitedragon wrote:
Ok, so we're running NSF, we want to be all up in the enemy's face, but....whats the "plan" once we get there? A couple terminator squads don't pump out that much firepower, and don't necessarily hit all that hard in CC either.

What are some of the tactics and things you want to be doing on the table? What squad does Draigo go in, and what powers are the Libby's fishing for? Also, what should you be doing if the enemy happens to be a Grav heavy battle company, of example?

This GK commander needs help

Everything that can wield a psycannon and is relentless should do so. If there's a grav unit then that is your primary focus. Be sure to run after deep striking to get into ruins if possible for that 4+ cover save (NSF allows you to run and shoot on arrival).

I personally don't play Draigo so I don't really know how to use him in a pure grey knight army. I only see him used in Death Stars from other codexes.

Each Terminator squad should pack 2 hammers in order to make them a threat to anything they manage to engage in cc.

Some armies have fast units that our terminators can't catch. Interceptors and Dreadknights are our only counter to this. The terminators will arrive and attack anything too slow to escape, then hold the objectives afterwards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8132993.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8132993.page GMT Grey Knights help

whitedragon wrote:
Ok, so we're running NSF, we want to be all up in the enemy's face, but....whats the "plan" once we get there? A couple terminator squads don't pump out that much firepower, and don't necessarily hit all that hard in CC either.

What are some of the tactics and things you want to be doing on the table? What squad does Draigo go in, and what powers are the Libby's fishing for? Also, what should you be doing if the enemy happens to be a Grav heavy battle company, of example?

This GK commander needs help

You live or die by Invisibility, basically.

Bring Librarians, bring a Librarius Conclave, a Grey Knights list can't survive against a modern shooting army without Invisibility. You will have the warp charges to dominate the psychic phase 99% of the time and will still get off Invis even in that 1% ridiculous demon list.

IMO your best strategy is:

1. When placing objectives place all of yours next to one placed by your opponent, there'll be 4 objectives in a diamond pattern by his deployment zone typically as a result.
2. Take your big group of Terminators, Draigo, Librarians, Conclave, etc. and Invis -> Gate to the objective cluster.
3. Shoot and multi-charge anything and everything. Psychic powers will help your anemic shooting a lot. You can only take one objective a turn but that'll be fine.
4. Dreadknights can survive well enough on their own, cast Sanctuary for that 4++ and try to limit their exposure to shooting before they can get into combat.

So basically your entire list is in their deployment zone and murdering everything in the assault phase. Having AP 2-3 Force Weapons and Invisibility will beat non-hordes and you can fish for psychic powers to take on something like Green Tide. There's a Nova power in Sanctic, Pyromancy and Telekinesis, if you turn your Invisibility fisherman loose trawling for them you'll have a decent chance of getting all three. A lot of the typically weaker psychic powers are particularly effective against massive hordes, too.

The army I play right now is a typical NSF, an Inquisitor & Coteaz and a Librarius Conclave painted up as Deathwatch. I fish for Invisibility and Endurance, if I think it's needed I'll try for Invisibility twice and combat squad my 10 Terminators, have one Deep Strike. Servo skulls help make Gate safer. If I don't get first turn, I tuck myself into a corner with some terrain and no objectives and Coteaz up front and let the inevitable drop podding insanity take their chances with going off the edge or landing close enough for I've Been Expecting You.

Basically when playing this you're always aware that you'd be better off gating a unit of Grav Cents arounds instead of your poor Termies, but it's actually pretty decent and feels more appropriate IMO.
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Rabbit2262 wrote:
So possibly a couple librarians in term armor or is it worth the term armour? I think I'll get a draigo and get that painted up next

GK Librarians are only in terminator armor. If you buy a couple terminator kits, you can just use one of those guys as a Librarian. As long as he looks a little more distinguished no one will give you grief and it'll save you having to buy the separate model if you don't want to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133450.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133450.page GMT Grey Knights help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133611.page GMT Grey Knights help

Rabbit2262 wrote:
What load out would you guys use for the dreadknights?

I always take mine with the great sword, the heavy incinerator, and the jump (teleporter) pack. If you've got the points you can add on the heavy psycannon.

I've not tried it myself, but some people mix in a gatling psliencer if they take more than one DK. It's not super reliable, but it can actually insta-kill some things if you get force off and manage to make them fail an armor save. YMMV]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133624.page GMT Grey Knights help
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jeffersonian000 wrote:
The Heavy Psycannon is the one you want everytime, with the Heavy Incinerator or Heavy Psilencer as it's second weapon. And whike the Great Sword is the one everyone seems to favor, the Hammer has excellent ultility versus WKs due to Concussion.

SJ

Fair point. I should have mentioned that my meta is mostly guardsmen and little tyrannid jibblies. I also just like flame templates.

The heavy psycannon is a very powerful and versatile weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133663.page GMT Grey Knights help ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133720.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133720.page GMT Re:Grey Knights help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133804.page GMT Re:Grey Knights help

DarkLink wrote:
Hammer is fine, especially when you concuss someone. And always, always, always, always take the teleporter and psycannon. You need the mobility, and you need the anti tank. Everything else is optional.

Pretty much this.

SJ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133895.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8133895.page GMT Grey Knights help GKs alongside another list (which they do very well) imho run the NSF with

Gk - NSF 735pts

HQ: Lib (110)
Elites: Purifiers w/ 2 incinerators (135) [if you can put them in a drop-pod from your other list]
Troops: Strike Squad (110)
Heavy: 2x NDK PT, Sword, Hvy Incinerator (190 ea =380) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8134140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8134140.page GMT Grey Knights help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8134187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8134187.page GMT Grey Knights help

Rabbit2262 wrote:
I do really like the look of the Dk with a hammer Although I do plan on more Dk's so I may change it up

Luckily the hands for the hammer and sword can both be built and are easily swapped. Just don't glue the hands and you can switch back and forth. No magnets needed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8134230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8134230.page GMT Grey Knights help lol
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Rabbit2262 wrote:
What about load outs for the strike squad and termi squad ? Keeping in mind my local gaming store is over run with chaos hence my love for the anti chaos lol

Chaos Space Marines or Daemons?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8135726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8135726.page GMT Grey Knights help

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Also my list will include the following at this time
Dreadknights x2 psi cannon and heavy incinerators
Strike squad
Term squad
Purgation squad
Draigo
Land raider

And I am looking into a storm raven at this time ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8135844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8135844.page GMT Grey Knights help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8136102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8136102.page GMT Grey Knights help
Make the call yourself at the table and roll for what you think you'll need.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8136218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8136218.page GMT Grey Knights help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8136225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8136225.page GMT Grey Knights help

Rabbit2262 wrote:
What about load outs for the strike squad and termi squad ? Keeping in mind my local gaming store is over run with chaos hence my love for the anti chaos lol

Strike/Interceptors/Purifiers should only ever take the incinerator as the other ranged weapons are heavy. Terminators/Paladins should take as many psycannons as their unit will allow. As for melee weapons it really depends but you definitely want 1-2 hammers per unit to smash MCs and crack open vehicles. Basically falchions are great for volume of attacks (great hammerhand synergy) but jump the cost up a bit. Halberds are good for units you don't plan on casting hammerhand on while being reasonable in terms of cost while the sword is the cheap option for stuff that typically won't likely survive getting into CC. Don't waste too many points on melee weapons for 3+ armor units but its reasonable to use the points to boost your terminators/paladins.

*Edited* GK's can't take Biomancy bleh. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8137502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8137502.page GMT Grey Knights help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8137541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8137541.page GMT Grey Knights help

GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
Librarians can only generate powers from Sanctic, Divination, Pyromancy, Telekinesis, and Telepathy.

Ah shoot I got Rune Priest's book schools confused with the GK libby. Sorry about that.
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Vankraken wrote:

GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
Librarians can only generate powers from Sanctic, Divination, Pyromancy, Telekinesis, and Telepathy.

Ah shoot I got Rune Priest's book schools confused with the GK libby. Sorry about that.

Ha no worries. It's weird that it's the only table they can't choose from. I had half hoped you were right and someone would correct me!

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5 man paladin squad with apothecary
And a 10 man purifier squad with knight of the flame
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Rabbit2262 wrote:
Purgation squad load out ideas ? I think I need anti infantry in my list as I have a Dk with psi cannon and incinerator and a razorback with las cannons
I will be making a
5 man paladin squad with apothecary
And a 10 man purifier squad with knight of the flame

Never taken a purgation squad. I've never had an issues killing infantry with regular guys. Purgation squads are billed as the GK equivalent to devastators but they have none of the real choices that devs do. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8140475.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8140475.page GMT Grey Knights help

The best you can do with Purgation is to treat them like Purifiers without Cleansing Flame. Give them 2 Psycannons and a Rhino and sit pretty on an objective, shooting from the top hatch.

But honestly, it's the worst kind of waste of points and a heavy support slot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8141257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8141257.page GMT Grey Knights help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8141266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8141266.page GMT Grey Knights help

A Purgation Squad with four incinerators could have some use against a Ravenwing bike deathstar (which denies the re-rollable cover save) or Dark Eldar raiders/venoms (which let's you get straight to the squishy interior). The sheer volume of saves is your saving grace. Of course, this is entirely dependent upon first turn and a direct hit on your Deep Strike.

But that's a lot of "what-ifs" to make a bad unit seem good, IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8141286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8141286.page GMT Grey Knights help

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Rabbit2262 wrote:
From what I'm reading now I think I may build the purgation squad as something different the interceptor squad looks appealing due to there personal teleporters and there avail 30 in shunt move which I could see grabbing objectives when needed / instant in your face troops mane with an incinerator and a hammer?

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This is provided they live long enough to use their shunt

Indeed. That is a much better idea.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8141643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/664262/8141643.page GMT