<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "is orikan the diviner a Ctan?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8151732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8151732.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? He is a Cryptek. If he were a C'tan, he'd be far more powerful. At his most powerful, his stats are about equal to a C'tan shard, which is only a tiny piece of an actual C'tan.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8151743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8151743.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Orikan_the_Diviner]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8151749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8151749.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8151997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8151997.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8152016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8152016.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8155644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8155644.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? It could also be where he receives his ability to move through time as well, considering no other Necron seems to have this ability.
He's probably using/creating technology to harness its power to his own ends.
Remember that the Necrons aren't bound to the tech-retardation of the Imperium/Eldar, and are still finding ways to create new inventions.
Illuminor Szeras is another example, innovating in the area of Biotransferance, most likely on some kind of a mission from the Silent King.
Basically, the Necrons are developing technology faster than the Admech could ever dream, and they have a several million year head-start.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8155968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8155968.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
My reasoning for this is that he opposed the biotransfer process. The C'tan wished to enslave the Necrons through biotranference, so why would power-hungry Orikan oppose it?

I've also never heard of a C'tan growing stronger because of star alignment. C'tan get their power from feeding off energy, so this doesn't make sense. If Orikan was using a shard to get stronger then he wouldn't have to wait for random star alignments to power him up. So no, I don't think he's a C'tan. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8156380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8156380.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
Orikan the Diviner has unlocked the scientific secrets of time-travel. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a smart Necron.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8157010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8157010.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8157212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8157212.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.

You're right. He isn't just intelligent, he is also ambitious enough to want to use his intelligence, and wise enough to know how to use it. He utilizes his intelligence to gather and/or create his power, and his power is great/complex enough that it just seems like space magic.

As far as the whole "Stars are Right" thing (lovecraftian), it could have something to do with the electromagnetic waves from said stars coming together in the correct manner, so as to create minute electromagnetic fields which can be used to amplify power. Or it could be some other, vastly more complicated form of space magic that I can't comprehend. Either way, there is a science behind it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8157238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8157238.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? GW leaves it vague to work with whatever a person wants. I like the idea of CTan possession myself.

Since the CTan are very much like Lovecraftian Old Ones, I took the Stars are Right statement to imply something much more insidious.
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 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.


Because he's super-science. The C'Tan aren't affected by stars (they just eat them). You can't be "possessed" by a C'Tan, they don't have souls, or Warp Presences, or anything of the sort. They exist wholly and completely in Realspace (hence why they needed the Necrontyr to fight the Old Ones in the Warp) and are, basically, the intelligences that drive the laws of physical reality... the whole concept of them is Lovecraftian (as the Great Old Ones of the Mythos are, also, just super-science aliens, not gods.).

It's also cool to attach a SR to a model called "The stars are right!".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8160425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8160425.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? anything to do with literal celestial bodies.

It happens too often and it happens at night just as much as it does at day.

It's far more likely that he has some kind of potential energy store or death syphon - remember that the longer the battle goes on, the more likely he is to empower.

He's probably fueled not by the stars, but by the death energy of the enemy fighters. Perhaps that big disk on his collar is a soul trap derived from the Biotransference technology that lets him convert warp energy (souls) into materium energy that he can use to enhance himself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8160613.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8160613.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8160892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8160892.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
 Psienesis wrote:
 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.


Because he's super-science. The C'Tan aren't affected by stars (they just eat them). You can't be "possessed" by a C'Tan, they don't have souls, or Warp Presences, or anything of the sort. They exist wholly and completely in Realspace (hence why they needed the Necrontyr to fight the Old Ones in the Warp) and are, basically, the intelligences that drive the laws of physical reality... the whole concept of them is Lovecraftian (as the Great Old Ones of the Mythos are, also, just super-science aliens, not gods.).

It's also cool to attach a SR to a model called "The stars are right!".


Why can't a CTan possess something with their super science? They are in fact possessing artificial bodies by default.

And precisely because they are masters of the materium, it could easily be surmised that some shard could have figured out how to attach themselves to something other than the shard they previously possessed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8160954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8160954.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
 PhillyT wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.


Because he's super-science. The C'Tan aren't affected by stars (they just eat them). You can't be "possessed" by a C'Tan, they don't have souls, or Warp Presences, or anything of the sort. They exist wholly and completely in Realspace (hence why they needed the Necrontyr to fight the Old Ones in the Warp) and are, basically, the intelligences that drive the laws of physical reality... the whole concept of them is Lovecraftian (as the Great Old Ones of the Mythos are, also, just super-science aliens, not gods.).

It's also cool to attach a SR to a model called "The stars are right!".


Why can't a CTan possess something with their super science? They are in fact possessing artificial bodies by default.

And precisely because they are masters of the materium, it could easily be surmised that some shard could have figured out how to attach themselves to something other than the shard they previously possessed.


Because Warp-energy is anathema to them. Shreds them up good. Is how Super-Psyker Emperor beat the piss out of the Void Dragon while wearing iron armor, an iron sword, and riding a horse.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8164477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8164477.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8164621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8164621.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8165987.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8165987.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
(I'm not, incidentally, a fan of the 'Orikan is a C'tan' theory - I posted my thoughts earlier - but it is possible for a C'tan to wear a Necron body would be my point)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8166710.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8166710.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8167035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8167035.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
 Psienesis wrote:
 PhillyT wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
 PhillyT wrote:
There is more to it than that. He has a secret, implied to be his powers that grow when the stars are right, that he has protected by going back in time and removing threats who have discovered parts of it.

The whole "Stars are right" thing is very Cthulhuian. There is more to him than just being a smart necron.


Because he's super-science. The C'Tan aren't affected by stars (they just eat them). You can't be "possessed" by a C'Tan, they don't have souls, or Warp Presences, or anything of the sort. They exist wholly and completely in Realspace (hence why they needed the Necrontyr to fight the Old Ones in the Warp) and are, basically, the intelligences that drive the laws of physical reality... the whole concept of them is Lovecraftian (as the Great Old Ones of the Mythos are, also, just super-science aliens, not gods.).

It's also cool to attach a SR to a model called "The stars are right!".


Why can't a CTan possess something with their super science? They are in fact possessing artificial bodies by default.

And precisely because they are masters of the materium, it could easily be surmised that some shard could have figured out how to attach themselves to something other than the shard they previously possessed.


Because Warp-energy is anathema to them. Shreds them up good. Is how Super-Psyker Emperor beat the piss out of the Void Dragon while wearing iron armor, an iron sword, and riding a horse.


Why would it require the warp? CTan possess necodermus without using the warp.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8167456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8167456.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
Daemonic Possession is a thing that happens on an entirely different level.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8168988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8168988.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
A CTan could plausibly inhabit a cryptek hull.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8169093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8169093.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8169123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8169123.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8169284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8169284.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
There is plenty of room for the idea that he is now home to a CTan.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8170406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8170406.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8170419.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8170419.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? GW where they punt a seed out there and let you connect the dots how you want.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8172250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8172250.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? GW seed so much as it is fan-fiction.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8172704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8172704.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
You know as well as I that they make the framework and them let folks define their fanfiction within that setting. You can easily claim he is a Ctan of some sort and be as correct as someone claiming it isn't that. Nobody is right or wrong, there is not enough info to make a determination. Typical GW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8172916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8172916.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
I just think the idea is stupid.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8172919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8172919.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
I don't find the idea super interesting myself (the CTan possession) but it isn't an unreasonable hypothesis to explain his ascendance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8174311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8174311.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
Making Orikan the Diviner into a hidden C'Tan just sort of cheapens both the Necrons and the C'Tan, as Orikan is not that amazing of a SC, all things considered.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8174775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8174775.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? SC to represent an exceptional Cryptek.

I appreciate both the notion that maybe Orikan has harnessed a shard to empower himself or that he is perhaps a hidden CTan similar to the story in the first codex about the Deceiver pretending to be a planetary governor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8174966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8174966.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8175388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8175388.page GMT is orikan the diviner a Ctan?
CTan are still implied to have lifted them to new heights, but the current fluff has them being outrageously high to begin with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8175603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665208/8175603.page GMT