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Everyone should just play whatever you WANT to play and other people's opinions be darned.

Play what YOU WANT. Not what some random person on the Internet wants.

Be happy in your choice

And since it's your cash and time, tell anyone else who has an issue to shell out the money for your replacement or shut the feth up.


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Some people are experts at this game while others are just dipping their toes into it. I don't see the issue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171806.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171821.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
dominuschao wrote:
Thats like the whole purpose of a forum dude.

Some people are experts at this game while others are just dipping their toes into it. I don't see the issue.


No one is an expert at such a cave man game as 40k. One merely has the will to endure the mediocernes and blandness of the gameplay. But except for that I dont see the issue but people are different in that regard. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171827.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not. It is the duty of us experienced players to help steer the new comers from horrible buys, and to help them get the most out of their army with synergy, practice, and Mathhammer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171828.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171828.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
"Build my list for me!" On day one.
"This list sucks, I can't play it!" On day two.
Player sucks because they're trying to make what works for one person get shoe-horned into their way of playing. Advice on usage for things is good. Demanding somebody do the work for you will lead to failure. Which I say is a good thing, as it weeds out the idiots in tournaments quickly!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171830.page GMT Re:My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
I play games very rarely and while I don't mind losing I hate getting tabled so I'm always looking for advice and because I play rarely I want to make those games count so reading a proper discussion on peoples opinions on the benefits of running tankbustas over flash gitz is valued reading for me. I play orks so I know I ain't winning a lot but the games have got to be good and the fightins gotta be hard

With the greatest respect I suspect you might be getting forum overload syndrome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171832.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not. IG)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171844.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.

I've no problem per se with people asking advice - it's when that request of advice is met with angry rage filled hate towards the offered advice.

If I want to play a 20 wk army at 500 pts I should be able to. If i ask advice on how to kit it out so it fits - what's the point of someone else coming on and calling me a floober because i run wk?

I get that some people have a hate on for some things because that thing did bad things to them when they were kids, or some other such traumatic event (surely this amount of hate couldn't spawn at the result of losing a game involving little plastic men...) - but why direct that hate towards someone who does not deserve it?

I once got sideswiped by a guy with a beard driving a red car. That dosent mean I hate everyone that has a beard driving red cars - and that I'm gonna rage out on someone simply because they are considering growing a beard and buying a red car.

If there was perhaps a forum online about people who hate beards and or red cars - I could vent my frustrations there where it belongs. But someone asking for advice on the best way to grow a beard that looks good in that shiney new red car? They don't deserve the hate. Perhaps I'll "keep an eye on them" so they don't side swipe me too.....




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 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. (IG)


Can I have your stuff?
Pretty please?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171973.page GMT Re:My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
It should be assumed that for the recipient, they can take it or leave it.

It is typically a rude response that is more the issue than the advice not being taken.
"Rage filled hate" is a rather inappropriate response to pretty much anything, never mind an attempt to help.

The only appropriate response is thanks, pointing out the good bits and explaining why you may not agree with other points... constructively.

Oh wait, we are talking 40k.
Sorry, rage filled hate is typical, as you were then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8171985.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
Hypothetically, I ask what Fast Attack I should add to my Nids. Someone says Shrikes. Someone else says Shrikes suck and do not have models. Someone else says Nid FA sucks. Someone else says you suck. Thread gets locked. OK, bad example.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172753.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
This is because the rules are terrible and balance doesn't exist to any reasonable expectations.

The models are expensive. People don't want to waste money on units that won't perform.

Thus, people ask what's good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172805.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. (IG)


Be brave my fellow Guardsman. One day we will get an actual codex instead of the terror of this nerfdex!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172814.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 master of ordinance wrote:
 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. (IG)


Be brave my fellow Guardsman. One day we will get an actual codex instead of the terror of this nerfdex!


Am I the only one who's played this codex (granted in a casual environment) and is okay with it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172888.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not. GW being so expensive, I think that is why we have a lot of "what is good" or "what should I use" posts and questions. Who wants to spend $100s of dollars and hours time modelling and painting to find out what they thought was cool, actually sucks and they won't use it.

It's just something we have to live with. After all we are not forced to read these posts that people ask, so it's easily in our power to skip them if we want to. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172922.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Otto Weston wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. (IG)


Be brave my fellow Guardsman. One day we will get an actual codex instead of the terror of this nerfdex!


Am I the only one who's played this codex (granted in a casual environment) and is okay with it?


Oh I am hanging onto my guard in hopes of a codex update whenever that may be. I've always loved the guard fluff and look, I just hope they make something more of them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8172975.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Otto Weston wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. (IG)


Be brave my fellow Guardsman. One day we will get an actual codex instead of the terror of this nerfdex!


Am I the only one who's played this codex (granted in a casual environment) and is okay with it?


Yes. Unless I am playing one single opponent (and even then it is debatable) at my club I have to bring my Shadowsword to even stand a faint hop of winning (and to be fair the only reason it did so well last game was because my opponent was terrified of it that he hid all his units - all of whom where in transports - and refused to move from cover. If he had just bumrushed my line he would have probably destroyed it) (He also lacked any AT - his only dedicated AT stuff being 5 chosen with 4 Meltas and Demon Primarch whats his name from the Iron Warriors with two Obliterators).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175084.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 DarthSpader wrote:
I once got sideswiped by a guy with a beard driving a red car. That dosent mean I hate everyone that has a beard driving red cars - and that I'm gonna rage out on someone simply because they are considering growing a beard and buying a red car.


This is a surprisingly accurate description of the 40k community, actually. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175371.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Ratius wrote:
Goobs, all of you, total Goobs.

Their gooby minds! Gooby! Gooby!


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On topic, I really don't see a problem for asking what's good or how best to set up a certain thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175651.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not. 40k is also an expensive hobby to get into, and if people want help to make informed decisions, and experienced/knowledageble people are willing to provide it, I say a valuable interchange is taking place. It's easy enough to avoid those threads if it's not your cup of tea. That's my 2 cents anyway. I grmet similarly annoyed by the similarly repetitive "how bad does 40k suck?" threads, so I don't click em unless I'm in the mood to be annoyed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175697.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
I tend to avoid them.

I don't think they shouldn't be here, though. God knows I've started enough myself. It's how new players learn, and I'd argue is probably the number one reasons forums like this thrive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175825.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Jimsolo wrote:
and I'd argue is probably the number one reasons forums like this thrive.


I agree. Forums survive through arguing ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175834.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Jimsolo wrote:
Yeah. These threads annoy me frequently, too. Often because I get more annoyed by some of the "veterans" giving what seems to be deliberately awful advice, or by the questioner immediately arguing with any advice they're given, than I do with the frequency of such threads.

I tend to avoid them.

I don't think they shouldn't be here, though. God knows I've started enough myself. It's how new players learn, and I'd argue is probably the number one reasons forums like this thrive.

There will always be trolls on internet forums. Arguing with the advice you're being given is definitely annoying though.

If there's anything productive these forums get done in a consistent manner, it's giving new players good advice. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175835.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Jimsolo wrote:
Yeah. These threads annoy me frequently, too. Often because I get more annoyed by some of the "veterans" giving what seems to be deliberately awful advice, or by the questioner immediately arguing with any advice they're given, than I do with the frequency of such threads.

I tend to avoid them.

I don't think they shouldn't be here, though. God knows I've started enough myself. It's how new players learn, and I'd argue is probably the number one reasons forums like this thrive.

I absolutely abhor bad advice, especially when given by someone that just uses anecdotes to help support claims. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175909.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8175909.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176080.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not. KDK army? I already own one of the new bloodthirsters. It was too pretty not to buy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176100.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
What is truly good is what ever makes the game fun for everyone. This is situational and thus those outside your gaming circle their advice is likely too removed and limited a winning at all cost mentality. If you are asking for something more definitive your motives are questionably one-sided. For as much money you might put into the game mutual fun is the only way to ensure a return on that equity.

No one wants to play the same armies over and over again. If you're building to only whats recommended your far more likely to meet someone with a very similar army and are likely to become "one of those guys".

The insistence of playing "what is good" only forces everyone to play "what is good." It becomes an arms race that only accentuates the inequities of different codices.So the players who want this are only doing themselves and their group a disservice. Giving them what they "want" is like a snake eating its own tale.

I have known people who went online asked "what is good," built and painted an army only to find out that it doesn't match their play style. So even when advice is given there is no guarantee the advice is actually good for that person even if every unit is otherwise the "best" choice.

I get it. People don't like to lose. People want to squeeze out what ever advantage they can. They don't want to feel like they're starting a game with the odds stacked against them. An element of the game is selecting your army, so to me asking people directly advice for "what is good" as opposed to how you can improve how you use a unit... to me its kinda on the same level as asking someone else to move your models, roll your dice, or electing your targets for you.

In fairness their are gaming circles that are all about the hardest tournament play out there. Within that context the question is justified.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176158.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.

And since it's your cash and time, tell anyone else who has an issue to shell out the money for your replacement or shut the feth up.



Does that work in any part of this planet, that people buy an army for you, if the one you have is bad?


The insistence of playing "what is good" only forces everyone to play "what is good." It becomes an arms race that only accentuates the inequities of different codices.So the players who want this are only doing themselves and their group a disservice. Giving them what they "want" is like a snake eating its own tale.

But what is the alternative, someone buying ogryns or other crap units, and finding out the hard way that they suck. Then wasting money on some more units and finding out those are bad too. It turns from a , as you called it, arms race in to a cash race. The person with more cash can play the game and the person with less cash won't . Even having an internaly balanced codex like eldar wouldn't help, because the eldar player would constantly find out that no matter what he buys it is always better what the avarge player of most other codex run. In fact the only way to play w40k, would be not to collect this or that army, but collect everything, probably FW too just in case GW decided to balance the game with that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176246.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176246.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. (IG)


+1,
But not your fault when rule edition change every 2 years or so (6th-7th), codexes are revised constantly to make good units bad and bad units good = buy more models.

Used to really love this game, going to tournaments to play 4-7 different people/armies over a day or two. Then enter power creep and WAACAH. Then quit playing . Maybe in the future the codexes/rules will be balanced, instead of who has the deepest pockets wins.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176275.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176440.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
Most advice is given from the posters own experience, which can be widely different to the situation the person asking for advice is in.
Balance and TAC lists went out the window a while ago and there isn't a one size fits all solution. Even missions (Eternal War vs Malestrom) widely influence how a list should be.

Advice given in a specific context eg two known lists and the mission type can be very helpful. Without specifics, advice is generally useless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176465.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 aka_mythos wrote:
I get it. People don't like to lose. People want to squeeze out what ever advantage they can. They don't want to feel like they're starting a game with the odds stacked against them. An element of the game is selecting your army, so to me asking people directly advice for "what is good" as opposed to how you can improve how you use a unit... to me its kinda on the same level as asking someone else to move your models, roll your dice, or electing your targets for you.


Or it could be something just as simple as not wanting to throw their money in the trash. I know it's just so hard for some people to wrap their head around, but it isn't just about wanting to win in the most brutal and efficient way possible. 40k is so ludicrously expensive, and the balance is so horribly skewed now, that it's really no surprise that newer players just want to skip the bullgak and find out what works and what doesn't, instead of ending up with literally hundreds of dollars worth of models that do fething nothing.

Buying a single land raider and finding out later that land raiders aren't really that good? That model alone is almost $100, that could be someone's entire hobby budget for a month for all you know. Yeah, it looks cool, but that's a lot of money to throw away on a shelf decoration, especially if what you were looking for was a gaming piece that would be a meaningful addition to your army.

Makumba wrote:

And since it's your cash and time, tell anyone else who has an issue to shell out the money for your replacement or shut the feth up.



Does that work in any part of this planet, that people buy an army for you, if the one you have is bad?


I've made similar offers to people who think Tau are overpowered to buy a new army for me to play with instead, and surprisingly no one's interested.

Turns out everyone just likes talking gak. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176466.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176466.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
 Sidstyler wrote:
 aka_mythos wrote:
I get it. People don't like to lose. People want to squeeze out what ever advantage they can. They don't want to feel like they're starting a game with the odds stacked against them. An element of the game is selecting your army, so to me asking people directly advice for "what is good" as opposed to how you can improve how you use a unit... to me its kinda on the same level as asking someone else to move your models, roll your dice, or electing your targets for you.


Or it could be something just as simple as not wanting to throw their money in the trash. I know it's just so hard for some people to wrap their head around, but it isn't just about wanting to win in the most brutal and efficient way possible. 40k is so ludicrously expensive, and the balance is so horribly skewed now, that it's really no surprise that newer players just want to skip the bullgak and find out what works and what doesn't, instead of ending up with literally hundreds of dollars worth of models that do fething nothing.

Buying a single land raider and finding out later that land raiders aren't really that good? That model alone is almost $100, that could be someone's entire hobby budget for a month for all you know. Yeah, it looks cool, but that's a lot of money to throw away on a shelf decoration, especially if what you were looking for was a gaming piece that would be a meaningful addition to your army.


I field land raiders all the time. I think they're fun to build and play with. A better unit doesn't mean a better gaming experience.

This is a crazy thought, but if everyone has some sub-optimal units there is a karmic balance.

Even though it isn't popular, GW has made it necessary that if you want a "balanced" game you have to have a conversation with your opponent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8176912.page GMT My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
Bartali wrote:I'd probably say the majority of advice given out on Dakka Dakka (and every other forum) is bad advice.

Most advice is given from the posters own experience, which can be widely different to the situation the person asking for advice is in.
Balance and TAC lists went out the window a while ago and there isn't a one size fits all solution. Even missions (Eternal War vs Malestrom) widely influence how a list should be.

Advice given in a specific context eg two known lists and the mission type can be very helpful. Without specifics, advice is generally useless.

I disagree. I think your post only highlights the importance of talking in general terms when giving advice. Sure, specific missions and terrain setups will have a major impact on the game. But people can still talk about what units tend to work well in most cases or how best to use certain units in most cases.

TAC is dead, but balance isn't thanks to house rules and communication between players.
Sidstyler wrote:I've made similar offers to people who think Tau are overpowered to buy a new army for me to play with instead, and surprisingly no one's interested.

Turns out everyone just likes talking gak.

Hah! I should start using this tactic myself when people start complaining about my Eldar. "If you have a problem with my first and only army so far, feel free to purchase me a new one."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8177108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/666182/8177108.page GMT