<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229299.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229308.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons?
They have the ability to contend with and beat the best armies and be fluffy doing it!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229310.page GMT Re:Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons?
What Daemons do have going in their favour however, is that we're absolutely unmatched in the Psychic phase, and can access the three best lores in the game, (Telepathy, Malefic & Divination), in spades.
Add in options such as flying Nurgle or Tzeentch Princes, a large unit of Plaguedrones w/FnP Locus Herald, Screamerstar, Hounds, Fateweaver, Grimoire...

The codex is old - only Chaos Marines are older, but Daemons have aged amazingly well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229311.page GMT Re:Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229402.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229640.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229641.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8229714.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8230280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8230280.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231220.page GMT Re:Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons?
The "lolz!Randumb!11!" that gets tossed out by elitists as some kind of major hurdle that makes Daemons unplayable competitively is just plain nonsense... Sure our character Wargear is randomly generated, but for 10pts, at the absolute worst you can get an at-initiative ap2 ccw! The Greater Gifts table is comprised almost entirely of high powered protective buffs, such as "re-roll all invuln saves" to "+1W & IWND", etc...

The Grimoire of True Names and the Portalglyph are among the outright best relics in the entire game to boot, and are if anything, perhaps slightly under costed for what they can do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231591.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons?
Doing that makes me felt like a one trick pony however, and feels kinda wrong. Invisibility is a bit too broken but almost necessary to make assault armies truly viable.

In short, I feel we do need an update, but not very badly. Some points adjustments would be nice as well as a rules change for the named greater daemons. Synergy with our battle brothers would also be nice but that almost has to wait until the csm book is worth a feth.

I feel we're a very strong, very fun army to play, unless you purposefully build weak lists. You can build a very very weak list with daemons if you want to.

The randomness is great. Gives you a bit of a chance to tailor against your opponent pregame with rewards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231668.page GMT Re:Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons? I never understood the hype for this Relic after 7th edition hit. It costs quite a bit for something a herald psyker could do fairly easily as is. Just taking a single malefic power for Summoning on any psyker saves you the cost of the exalted gift and also allows you a useful HQ.

And I can say daemons is as strong as you are willing to make them. You HAVE to accept psykers as your main force. Go full cheese, forcing in your base troops into a squad of 12+ herald psykers. Take as many flying daemon princes as you can afford. Take a soul grinder, even if you hate the model since there is a lot of conversion possibilities for a base so large. I highly recommend the Plague Hulk myself.
Only negative? Our model line is kinda trash. There are countless old models that deserve to be redone (like beasts of Nurgle and blue scribes) or are simple disgusting in general (new daemonettes, the remaining greater daemons). This army is certainly a great place to get good at buying third party and/or learning to sculpt yourself xD]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231851.page GMT Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons?
One of the biggest points of contention I'd argue is that Fateweaver is quite almost an autotake. Rolling poorly on the Warp Storm table has cost me several games, being able to reroll that is amazing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8231902.page GMT Re:Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons?
autumnlotus wrote:
@portaglyph:
I never understood the hype for this Relic after 7th edition hit. It costs quite a bit for something a herald psyker could do fairly easily as is. Just taking a single malefic power for Summoning on any psyker saves you the cost of the exalted gift and also allows you a useful HQ.


a big power in the portalglyph is the chance to generate an extra warp charge each turn by bringing in horrors that you didn't have to spend warp charge dice on.
each mastery level costs you 25 points in codex, and here you can throw this in you backfield during your first turn (it quite often gets completely left alone in my games), and if it generates two units, you paid for it. plus the units could give you useful powers themselves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8232069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8232069.page GMT Re:Competitively speaking, what's the state of chaos daemons?
slamma wrote:
autumnlotus wrote:
@portaglyph:
I never understood the hype for this Relic after 7th edition hit. It costs quite a bit for something a herald psyker could do fairly easily as is. Just taking a single malefic power for Summoning on any psyker saves you the cost of the exalted gift and also allows you a useful HQ.


a big power in the portalglyph is the chance to generate an extra warp charge each turn by bringing in horrors that you didn't have to spend warp charge dice on.
each mastery level costs you 25 points in codex, and here you can throw this in you backfield during your first turn (it quite often gets completely left alone in my games), and if it generates two units, you paid for it. plus the units could give you useful powers themselves.


Exactly... For 5pts more than a Mastery Lv., you get a strait-up 50/50 shot at gaining +1WC/turn from T2 onwards. No risk involved, yet equal reward to summoning a basic unit of Pinkies.
Plus those 5-6 WC's I'd have to spend for 10 Horrors can now typically be spread across 2 different powers.
Being that overall we still rely very heavily on our psychic augments/hexes, I never really like to spend the massive amounts of dice generally needed to gain favourable odds for successfully summoning in more WC's... If I'm going to spend the dice for a new unit, then it's going to be a unit that can play a critical role, such as bringing in a pack of 'Nettes if I need Rending, or perhaps the likes of Hounds or Flamers or whatever.

Actually, it's gotten to the point that I feel a bit dirty bringing the 'Glyph nowadays, because it is such a good buy! Lately, unless I'm up against someone running a Decurion/Gladius or other really filthy list, I've been leaving it at home. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8232156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669027/8232156.page GMT