http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net BOLS article: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/40k-post-tau-msu-and-comp-reborn.html

What is it with Bell of Lost Souls and promoting comp systems? Comp systems are inherently bad for the game. They don't solve any of the underlying fundamental problems of the game, and just put a new metagame of beating the comp system on top of the standard game.

As an example, take the system detailed in the article:

What happens if you get a "3" on the comp score? Are you kicked out for being a cheesemonger? Do you get extra points for bringing a "1" list?

If you take a formation, you are penalized twice, as unless you are in a Decurion Formations are Detachments. Heaven help you if you take two duplicate formations; you're penalized four times as much!

You get comped if you have access to Telepathy. Never mind Invisibility; Psychic Shriek is just broken!

Have a named character? You get penalized just as much as if you brought a Gargantuan Creature or Superheavy.

Cast Iron Arm on a biker or other T5 character? Congratulations; have a comp point.

Deep Striking is clearly the most overpowered of all deployment methods. Terminators are even more useless.

Don't play Dark Eldar. Seriously, just don't. You can't win or make a decent list at all under this system.

If you have any good ways of breaking the comp system in the article, feel free to post them. Comp: Not Even Once. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8241563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8241563.page GMT GuO my daemon princes and my Nurgle Sorcerors)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8241742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8241742.page GMT TO can pretend to be "fair" instead of just changing the one problem army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8242178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8242178.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8242179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8242179.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8242401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8242401.page GMT
Craftworld Warhost
-Guardian Warhost
-3 x 10 Guardians
-2 x 1 War Walker
-1 x 1 Vyper
-1 x 1 Vaul's Wraith (D-Cannon)

-Aspect Host
-1 x 4 Dark Reapers
-1 x 10 Warp Spiders
-1 x 10 Fire Dragons w/ Wave Serpent

-Legend of the Craftworld
-1 x 1 Avatar

-Wraith Construct
-1 x 1 Wraithknight (without D Str Shooting, but has Stomp which seems to get a points reduction)

For the fluff, I get a full 6" Run move across the army which grants me a lot of tactical flexibility, which has proven tons more useful than my 1 D-Cannon.

My Ravenguard appears to get a 2.75 under this system. (I've left out various wargear on this list as it has no bearing on the comp system)

Talon Strike Forces
-Pinion Demi Company
-1 x 1 Chaplain
-3 x 5 Tactical Marines
-1 x 5 Assault Marines
-1 x 5 Devastator Marines
-1 x 5 Scouts
-2 x 3 Scout Bikers (locator beacons)

Strikeforce
-2 x 5 Scouts
-1 x 5 Vanguard Veterans

Skyhammer Annihilation Force (Formation)
-2 x 10 Assault Marines
-2 x 5 Devastator Marines
-2 x 1 Drop Pods

No spammed Grav weapons, no STR D, but Ignore Cover Devastator squad in the Talon Strike Force and massed turn 1 no scatter deep strike and assault. And with Ravenguard rules, the chances of going first and getting the alpha strike is fairly high.

I can appreciate folks trying to create and environment in which folks will have more fun, but this comp concept does not seem to hit the mark. Playing against a massed turn 1 assault army does not seem to give my opponents a more enjoyable game than my non Jetbike, non Psyker heavy, little D STR Eldar army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8243291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8243291.page GMT 40k is very unbalanced and is really only fun if you have a meeting of the minds between players.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8243733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8243733.page GMT
You balance it by actually, you know, balancing it. Tweak the points. Change the rules. Don't just restrict players arbitrarily or punish them for what would be perfectly fluffy armies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8243743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669604/8243743.page GMT