<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!

Edited title - shouting]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244818.page GMT JUST PREORDERED MY BETRAYAL OF CALTH BOX I'll use it for my 30k army of World Eaters.
This gives me two 15 men Tactical squads, a Cataphractii Terminator unit, one Praetor, one Centurion, and a Contemptor with Keres assault cannon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244820.page GMT JUST PREORDERED MY BETRAYAL OF CALTH BOX

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How does 30k comapte to playin 40k?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244821.page GMT JUST PREORDERED MY BETRAYAL OF CALTH BOX 40k
However if you don't have any 30k community ull not see any action and you won't be able to skip forgeworld purchase cause of legion specific units plus books.
30vs40 games tend to be very unbalanced.
Ask yourself aswell if you want to play mainly sm vs sm with bit of admech sometimes ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244916.page GMT JUST PREORDERED MY BETRAYAL OF CALTH BOX
Grubass wrote:
30k has more balanced rulset compared to 40k
However if you don't have any 30k community ull not see any action and you won't be able to skip forgeworld purchase cause of legion specific units plus books.
30vs40 games tend to be very unbalanced.
Ask yourself aswell if you want to play mainly sm vs sm with bit of admech sometimes

Indeed, this is also our experience that 30k games are more balanced.
30k vs. 40k seems to be unbalanced at smaller pt levels. I suggest to play 2000 pts or higher. Then the effect of cheaper larger Tactical squads comes in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244932.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
I would like to give the board game a go for a start. I've got a couple of mates who don't want to start 40K but like th background and games like FFG's Conquest as occasional breaks from DZC.

Not sure what the opposing force should be. Night Lords would be fluffy as an opposing force, I believe.

Mainly, I'm looking to start a Dark Angels Legion force for HH.

That will also be usable as a Consecrators force in 30K.

Which will hopefully prompt me to paint up the two sets of DV DA I have had sitting on a cupboard for the last couple of years. Thinking of doing them as Consecrators.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8244990.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
30 more marines would give me enough bodies (or close to it) to finish a second battle company. The question is what gear I’d need to give them, and how much squad mixing I want to do. That last bit is complicated by base size; these will be on 32s presumably. I’ll probably need to keep them in squads by themselves.

As an alternative, I could just built them up as a 30k force. I’ve got a chunk of RTB01 marines that could help bulk things out. Lots of bolters, MLs, and flamers, but not much else.

The terminators I’m planning on building CC, but we will see how hard they are to magnetize. But I’ve got a dozen shooty ones on the shelf already, but only 5 assault.

Planning on converting the TDA captain to a lightning claw, rather then the gun. One more shot is generally not worth the loss of the attack IMHO.

The PA foot guy might get a bolt pistol for his hand, and will be painted as a captain.

All to join my Ultramarines. While the sirens call of starting another chapter is strong, not enough to make it happen. It’s needed all the vehicles that kills it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245005.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
So, my plan so far:

10-man Veteran Tactical Squad
10-man Veteran Tactical Squad
10-man Seeker Squad

Either a 5-man Terminator Squad, or a Command Squad in Terminator armor.
Dreadnought

Not decided what to do with the HQs yet. Probably consuls. Maybe use one of them as a generic Centurion for access to a cheap HQ, which I don't have now.


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 Nevelon wrote:
IThat last bit is complicated by base size; these will be on 32s presumably. I’ll probably need to keep them in squads by themselves.


I saw the box at my flgs...unofrtunately, they do come with the 32 bases. Thank God for eBay.


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 AdeptusAwesome wrote:
Im torn, Im trying to paint up my own chapter of marines so that I can be flexable with my choice of chapter tactics, but im afraid ill county myself out of playing any 30k,


FWIW, if you have a legion army, its really quite easy to use that army to build the infantry components of 40k lists.

Need a 40k Tac squad?
7 Legion Tac Marines
1 Legion Tac Support Marine
1 Legion Heavy Support Marine
1 Legion Sergeant appropriately outfitted.

Need a Devastator Squad?
4 Legion Heavy Support Marines
5 Legion Tac Marines
1 Legion Sergeant appropriately outfitted

Etc, etc.

A convertible force is certainly doable. I think Termies have combi-bolters instead of Stormbolters, so that could be an issue depending on how hardcore you and your friends are about WYSIWYG.. Rhinos, Drop Pods, and basic Land Raiders are the same IIRC. You would run into trouble with vehicles beyond that, however.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245120.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245196.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
 Melissia wrote:
Looks kinda neat at least. And the minis don't look too bad, for marine minis.


Looks kinda neat yes, but for the price they are asking, no thank you. I guess not being interested in a HH army this is kinda meh for me. I guess it will all come down to how the rules are because the minis don't intrest me at all. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245647.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
Not my cup of tea though. But I can see the appeal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245657.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
Davor wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
Looks kinda neat at least. And the minis don't look too bad, for marine minis.


Looks kinda neat yes, but for the price they are asking, no thank you. I guess not being interested in a HH army this is kinda meh for me. I guess it will all come down to how the rules are because the minis don't intrest me at all.

Rules? It's only a board game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245687.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245687.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box! gw marines the contents of the box retail here for over $500. Add the characters which gw currently sell the clampack captain here for $40, that's another $80-$100 worth.

Ps I hope gw don't read this and jack it up. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8245688.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
pax_imperialis wrote:
It's literally the cheapest way to buy marines in New Zealand. To get even regular gw marines the contents of the box retail here for over $500. Add the characters which gw currently sell the clampack captain here for $40, that's another $80-$100 worth.

Ps I hope gw don't read this and jack it up.


I agree, between the termies and a demi company worth of tactical s, plus there are combi weapons in the box, different armor than all my other marines, not to mention is probably gonna be the only way I shell out for a contemptor, For me it was well priced alternate battle force.

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Still not entirely sure what I'm gonna DO with the contents, when the pics of the tactical sprues leaked months ago I worked out that six 'squads' were a sweet spot for making an army: 40 Tacticals + three 6-man support squads plus two Praetors/Centurions made from Sergeant bits, gives you a good 1,000 or so points using the FW lists. So I could make two armies but I'm also tempted to do one set as Smurfs and Word Bearers for the actual boardgame, as it sounds like it might actually be good. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8246026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8246026.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
 Gashrog wrote:
I kinda, um, pre-ordered four copies.. >.>

Still not entirely sure what I'm gonna DO with the contents, when the pics of the tactical sprues leaked months ago I worked out that six 'squads' were a sweet spot for making an army: 40 Tacticals + three 6-man support squads plus two Praetors/Centurions made from Sergeant bits, gives you a good 1,000 or so points using the FW lists. So I could make two armies but I'm also tempted to do one set as Smurfs and Word Bearers for the actual boardgame, as it sounds like it might actually be good.

What a waste of time and money. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8246293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8246293.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
 Gashrog wrote:
I kinda, um, pre-ordered four copies.. >.>

Still not entirely sure what I'm gonna DO with the contents, when the pics of the tactical sprues leaked months ago I worked out that six 'squads' were a sweet spot for making an army: 40 Tacticals + three 6-man support squads plus two Praetors/Centurions made from Sergeant bits, gives you a good 1,000 or so points using the FW lists. So I could make two armies but I'm also tempted to do one set as Smurfs and Word Bearers for the actual boardgame, as it sounds like it might actually be good.


You're not alone in that. I had my FLGS order me four boxes, and at this point, I'm pretty sure I'm going to snatch up one of the boxes they got for general sale, too. Hey, I've got lots of "loyalty reward points" stocked up with them, enough to get the lot at 20% off.

It'll be a grand start to a new 30k army for me, Alpha Legion, and some of the extraneous bits will get farmed out to 40k armies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8246306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8246306.page GMT Re:Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box! 40K dread way sexier than the contemptor. The game I worry is going to get boring after a couple plays just like the assassins board game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8249618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8249618.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
 Gashrog wrote:
I kinda, um, pre-ordered four copies.. >.>

Still not entirely sure what I'm gonna DO with the contents, when the pics of the tactical sprues leaked months ago I worked out that six 'squads' were a sweet spot for making an army: 40 Tacticals + three 6-man support squads plus two Praetors/Centurions made from Sergeant bits, gives you a good 1,000 or so points using the FW lists. So I could make two armies but I'm also tempted to do one set as Smurfs and Word Bearers for the actual boardgame, as it sounds like it might actually be good.


I'm also getting 4 copies. However, I'm breaking it down to 2 at launch and 2 on either Black Friday or Boxing Day, depending on the deals -- since Black Friday is so close, anyways. I think I will have a separate set of models for the boardgame (which plays really well, by the way), as 30k/40k.

I would like 4 boxes of tiles, as that allows you to fill most of a 6x4 table. Can't lose with the tactical bits, and there's a lot of sprue goodness in those boxes. I will use all of the chaplains, all of the cataphracti, the dreadnoughts, etc.

Speaking of which, the autocannon on the dreadnought is really, really nice. The arm itself is two parts, and the gun comes as 3 pieces (barrels in the center, barrels to the right, barrels to the left), so you see a lot of definition there.

In my area, there are lots of people buying 2 boxes.


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Exalbaru wrote:
The game I worry is going to get boring after a couple plays just like the assassins board game.


The game is *infinitely* better than the Assassins boardgame. The game book is actually really nice. A beautiful 50-ish page full color book, with several scenarios in it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8249638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8249638.page GMT Re:Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
Exalbaru wrote:
40K dread way sexier than the contemptor.


Glad I'm not the only one. The Contemptor looks like an oversized GoBot. But does he turn into a car?



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Still, I love the concept of dreads, so he will be joining my 4 other dreads on the shelf. And the table, for that mater, as I field them regularly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8249737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8249737.page GMT Re:Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
Exalbaru wrote:
I like the idea of the cheap 30K for people interested in it, but I've never liked the way they look. 40K dread way sexier than the contemptor. The game I worry is going to get boring after a couple plays just like the assassins board game.

The game having more than one mission should make it more interesting than the Assassins game. Anyway, from what little I've seen of the gameplay, it's basically risk with the twist of the command cards, cover-granting squares, special weapons, etc. Doesn't seem terrible. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8249776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8249776.page GMT Re:Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box! 40K armies. My question is what books would I need to play do you purchase all of them or can you just get the one you need for your army.

Also is there a good place for someone starting out to get a grasp of what is needed such as armor variants used, base sizes etc..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250112.page GMT Re:Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
mondamoto wrote:
I have purchased 2 boxes to start a Horus Heresy army as this is a great way I think to get started with 30K It also does not hurt that I have a bunch of old Rogue Trader rhino based vehicles while not as nice as the newer forge world ones they will work until I can afford replacements and I can always use them in my existing 40K armies. My question is what books would I need to play do you purchase all of them or can you just get the one you need for your army.

Also is there a good place for someone starting out to get a grasp of what is needed such as armor variants used, base sizes etc..


Bookwise, you need:

40k Rulebook
Either Horus Heresy 1 -or- the red Crusade Army List book for general legion marine rules.
Whatever book the rules for your legion are in. Legion rules are spread out through the various HH books. There is also a red Istavaan Campaign Legion Book that compiles all the SM Legions covered in HH Books I-IV.

Base sizes are the same as 40k. Not sure what you mean by armor variants. Marines come with Power Armor, and Recon squads can swap PA for Recon Armor. HQs and infantry Sarges can usually upgrade to Artificier Armor. For terminators, there is Terminator Armor and Cataphractii Terminator Armor.

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Personally I wouldn't spend money on this. Mainly because of boring looking minis, and I've never understood how the Contemptor design got past concept art. It looks goofy and like a clunker from retro 50s sci-fi. The 40K dreads are way more attractive. Will definitely take this kit in trade deals, though!

HandofMars wrote:
 Gashrog wrote:
I kinda, um, pre-ordered four copies.. >.>

Still not entirely sure what I'm gonna DO with the contents, when the pics of the tactical sprues leaked months ago I worked out that six 'squads' were a sweet spot for making an army: 40 Tacticals + three 6-man support squads plus two Praetors/Centurions made from Sergeant bits, gives you a good 1,000 or so points using the FW lists. So I could make two armies but I'm also tempted to do one set as Smurfs and Word Bearers for the actual boardgame, as it sounds like it might actually be good.

What a waste of time and money.


Maybe we should check in with you from now on to see what we should be doing with our time and money?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250392.page GMT Re:Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
For me this is great as the one thing that kept me from trying 30K was the cost to start an army this will let me get a core and I can add other things as I can afford them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250581.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
HandofMars wrote:
 Gashrog wrote:
I kinda, um, pre-ordered four copies.. >.>

What a waste of time and money.
Because heaven forbid you'd hear someone talking about buying things theyll have fun with on a hobby forum.

As for me, ive got a set pre-ordered, super excited! Deciding whether I want to do them all EC, all IW, or a mix of all different kinds of traitor legions. Leaning towards IW right now, might paint up a few EC just for the hell of it.
On second thought, maybe i should have ordered 4 boxes too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250620.page GMT Re:Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
mondamoto wrote:
By Armor variants I mean MK 1,2,3 etc. Since The box Comes with MK 4 I was wondering what other marks I could sprinkle in there I assume 1-4 but what about 5 and 6 I know no 7 or 8 but I have a few beekie ones I think I can use but I am unsure.


Mk1. Was used during the reunification wars only. Bizarely wouldn't count as Power Armour under the 40k rules at the time the original fluff was written..

Mk2 'Crusade' armour was the standard suit of the Great Crusade until replaced by Mk4 at the end, the original armour fluff article (which the modern versions are derived from) stated that Mk4's adoption was 'half complete' when the Heresy erupted.

Mk3 was a specialist suit designed for suicidal frontal assaults (lower case), too cumbersome and unwieldy for general use, mostly restricted to the likes of breachers and devastators. Still used by many modern chapters in such roles as it's specialist nature trumps the more advanced generalist suits.

Mk5.. this is where things get tricky. The original fluff stated that Mk4 was basically too advanced, suits could be rendered inoperable due to even minor battle damage as the legions quickly ran out of spare parts and were unable to fabricate replacements. Mk5 was a new design - which had a unique helmet, torso and legs - created 'almost literally over-night' to make use of existing spare parts. GW has released several Mk5 minis down the years, and Forge World sells them as well. Why is this tricky? Because there a lot of people who prefer to ignore all this and go with a single Black Library author who said there is no Mk5, it's just the name given to a mixed-mark suit, something seemingly not possible with Mk4 under the original fluff..

Mk6 was originally stated to have been designed during the Heresy to replace the stop-gap Mk5, eventually going into production as Horus forces closed in on the Solar System. The current fluff however is that the armour that would subsequently be designated Mk6 had already been issued to the Raven Guard for field tests prior to the Heresy, with the Alpha Legion also somehow getting their hands on it in large numbers. Very fitting for those legions from the outset, wouldn't be unfluffy to see a some suits in traitor legions post-Isstvan V - representing armour looted from dead Raven Guard (or Alpha Legionaires, the traitors weren't that picky). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250648.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8250648.page GMT Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8253938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8253938.page GMT Re:Just preordered my Betrayal of Calth box!
HandofMars wrote:
Exalbaru wrote:
I like the idea of the cheap 30K for people interested in it, but I've never liked the way they look. 40K dread way sexier than the contemptor. The game I worry is going to get boring after a couple plays just like the assassins board game.

The game having more than one mission should make it more interesting than the Assassins game. Anyway, from what little I've seen of the gameplay, it's basically risk with the twist of the command cards, cover-granting squares, special weapons, etc. Doesn't seem terrible.


True true, but I think space hulk would be superior. Admittedly I just watched 2 games this past Saturday at GW, didn't play. And agreed wholeheartedly on the gobot ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8254016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/669761/8254016.page GMT