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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey guys, I'm going to be picking up Betrayal at Calth box. I love the look of the models and the options they have, especially the Cataphractii Terminators. It has been the final push I needed to expand into another army. I've been meaning to make a Blood Ravens army for a while, and part of me loves the idea of the Blood Ravens acquiring unusual wargear like this, so I am likely going to brand their shoulder pads with the bloody magpies. How heretical is this idea?<br /> <br /> It got me wondering what rules I should use for the army. Should I be using the 30k rules for these units or should I be translating them into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>? (Maybe both?) I believe other players are more comfortable with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>; however it doesn't have as many, or the appropriate options as in 30k. 30k Terminators have access to Cataphractii Armour and combi weapons wheras <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> terminators don't. The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> and tacticals have different options too.<br /> <br /> There is also the problem of which chapter to pick, whichever route is chosen.<br /> <br /> What do you guys think?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:36:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Colehkxix]]></author>
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				<title>Blood Ravens and 30k</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I think they'll be confused for the Thousand Sons' Raven Occult, is what I think. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:05:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Furyou Miko]]></author>
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				<title>Blood Ravens and 30k</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(320);'>HH</span> armies are designed to fight other <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(320);'>HH</span> armies. If you plan on using this army in regular <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, I'd use C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>. Everything in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(715);'>BaC</span> can be used for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> (providing everything is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(150);'>wysiwyg</span>)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:13:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ nudibranch]]></author>
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				<title>Blood Ravens and 30k</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well, Blood Ravens is just a vanilla <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> chapter.<br /> I'd go for a different chapter in terms of 30k.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:29:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ wuestenfux]]></author>
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				<title>Blood Ravens and 30k</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/55c58a5908bac75a8d8a697378c2d98e.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/670083/8251171.page"><b>Furyou Miko wrote:</b></a><br/>I think they'll be confused for the Thousand Sons' Raven Occult, is what I think. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What are those guys and how do I find out more about them? =O<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/670083/8251187.page"><b>nudibranch wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(320);'>HH</span> armies are designed to fight other <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(320);'>HH</span> armies. If you plan on using this army in regular <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, I'd use C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>. Everything in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(715);'>BaC</span> can be used for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> (providing everything is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(150);'>wysiwyg</span>)</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I see. I was under the impression that they'd fit in well enough with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/907384cdd6e55447221a4729cc4653f1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/670083/8251475.page"><b>wuestenfux wrote:</b></a><br/>Well, Blood Ravens is just a vanilla <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> chapter.<br /> I'd go for a different chapter in terms of 30k.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The purpose was for appropriating the 30k specific rules and options, as they seemed more appropriate for the models and their equipment. Sadly I don't know much about 30k, or what this Raven Occult mentioned earlier is.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:46:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Colehkxix]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Blood Ravens and 30k</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The Raven Occult is a portion of the Thousand Sons Legion that Magnus sent away prior to the Burning of Prospero. They are believed to be the precursors to the Blood Ravens Chapter. The evidence points very strongly to that fact.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:54:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ casvalremdeikun]]></author>
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				<title>Blood Ravens and 30k</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well, technically the Blood Ravens don't exist in 30k since 30k is about the original 18 Legiones Astartes, well before the Codex Astartes broke the remaining Loyalist Legions up into the smaller Chapters that exist now in the 41st Millennium.  The Blood Ravens are a Chapter of unknown origin and founding, which would have come well after the events of the 31st Millennium and the Horus Heresy.<br /> <br /> However, there's plenty of evidence to point towards the Blood Ravens being descendants of the Thousands Sons legion (well a presumably Loyalist remnant of it anyway).  The Thousand Sons were unusual in their high amounts of psychically gifted marines, just like the Blood Ravens, and their Pre-Heresy colour scheme was also predominantly Red.  Given that the Thousand Sons eventually turn Traitor and that the origins of the Blood Ravens trace back to a 'dark secret from the Horus Heresy' it fits pretty well. <br /> <br /> Forgeworld haven't got around to providing Legion rules for The Thousand Sons yet, and probably won't until book 7 I think (they're up to book 5 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(258);'>atm</span>).  A Blood Ravens force using Thousand Sons rules, whatever they may end up being, would be pretty cool I think.  As for now, your best bet is probably to just use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(715);'>BaC</span> models in a normal Codex: Space Marines army (probably use Ultramarine or Imperial Fist tactics as they are the most 'generic').  Cataprachtii Terminators and Contemptor Dreadnaughts are still Terminators and Dreadnaughts, so just use the normal rules for those units. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:14:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ GoonBandito]]></author>
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