<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "[1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016 UPDATED 2016-01-28"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016 UPDATED 2016-01-28 UPDATED 2016-01-28: Dropped Imperial Knight to fit both Librarians and AdMech gravbots.

This list collects a wide variety of Imperial models that have worked well for me. At four detachments, it can only happen at Adepticon.

2016 will be my first time at Adepticon or any huge tournament. What should I expect? Draft mission packet here: http://www.adepticon.org/wpfiles/2016/201640Kchampprimers.pdf

++ Dark Angels: Codex (2015) (DA Ravenwing Strike Force) ++

WARLORD Interrogator-Chaplain [Auspex]
··Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum, Space Marine Bike]
Dropped the Mace of Redemption in favor of Legacy of Glory on Darkshroud below.
Ravenwing Command Squad [6x Black Knight, Ravenwing Apothecary, Ravenwing Grenade Launcher, Ravenwing Champion]
Ravenwing Black Knights [4x Black Knight, Ravenwing Grenade Launcher]
··Huntmaster [Corvus Hammer]
Can any list have too many Black Knights? Added a fifth.

Ravenwing Bike Squad [2x Meltagun, 5x Ravenwing Biker]
··Ravenwing Sergeant [Chainsword]
··Ravenwing Attack Bike [Multi-Melta]
I felt I needed more models and units (they can combat squad thrice). Swapped grav for melta now that I'm bringing the AdMech gravbots.

Ravenwing Darkshroud [Heavy Bolter, Battle of Signus Prime]
Required. Battle of Signus Prime is a Forgeworld Legacy of Glory granting all Space Marines within 6" Furious Charge, which is hugely advantageous for a Darkshroud that my entire army is trying to stay close to at all times. (I emailed Adepticon and they explicitly said Legacies of Glory are allowed.)

++ Dark Angels: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++

Librarius Conclave (380pts) [Ezekiel]
··Librarian [Auspex, Melta Bomb]
····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Space Marine Bike]
····Psyker [Level 2]
··Librarian [Melta Bomb]
····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Space Marine Bike]
····Psyker [Level 2]
I've failed to get Invisibility for five straight games, but some day I'll get it! Instant Death has helped against GMC's.
Yes I know a White Scars Conclave would be more competitive, but I gotta stay true to my boys in black. Ezekiel Scouts 12" with a bike unit, so I haven't yet had problems getting him where he need to be.

++ Officio Assassinorum: Dataslate (2014) (Inq Officio Assassinorum Detachment) ++

Culexus Assassin
I hear Invisible deathstars will be popular at Adepticon.

++ Cult Mechanicus: Codex (2015) (Allied Detachment) ++

Kataphron Destroyers
··FOUR Kataphron Destroyer [Heavy grav-cannon, Phosphor blaster]
I hear that double Wraithknight lists will be popular at Adepticon. Also this is my only Objective Secured unit.

Tech-Priest Dominus [Macrostubber, Raiment of Technomartyr, Stasis field, Volkite blaster]
Rainment relic makes the Destroyers hit Snap Shots on 5+ to counter fliers, chargers, and invisible units. Stasis field hopes to help the unit survive Turn 1 while Ravenwing are Turbo-Boosting forward or Outflanking.

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What popular Adepticon lists really threaten this list?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8305920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8305920.page GMT Re:[1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8311048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8311048.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Would a Librarian be more valuable?


In my opinion yes.

I like the list, it has some heavy hitters in there.

However, an issue here is that it seems you want your Command Squad to be surviveable but also dish out a beating in CC, but without invisibility for your army, I think you might struggle. I'd want a couple of librarians at least to have some psychic shenannigans of your own, and it will give you a bit of protection against Tau if you draw them, as they can ignore your buffed jink and you may take a lot of damage to your bike units before you really do much. Your command squad won't stand up very well against Thunderwolfstar in close combat either, unless you can hold them up with a unit and bring your knight in.

You army looks great btw. Good luck

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8311143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8311143.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
 Caranthir987 wrote:
Would a Librarian be more valuable?


In my opinion yes.

I like the list, it has some heavy hitters in there.

However, an issue here is that it seems you want your Command Squad to be surviveable but also dish out a beating in CC, but without invisibility for your army, I think you might struggle. I'd want a couple of librarians at least to have some psychic shenannigans of your own, and it will give you a bit of protection against Tau if you draw them, as they can ignore your buffed jink and you may take a lot of damage to your bike units before you really do much. Your command squad won't stand up very well against Thunderwolfstar in close combat either, unless you can hold them up with a unit and bring your knight in.
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate your response!

I hear that allying a White Scars Librarian Conclave is popular, but I already have Dark Angels Librarian Conclave painted. I had to remove the bike squad and assassin, but here's a new list with the conclave for invisible death star shenanigans:

+++ Adepticon Draft 2015-12-12 (1850pts) +++

++ Dark Angels: Codex (2015) (DA Ravenwing Strike Force) ++

Sapphon - Interrogator-Chaplain
··Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum, Space Marine Bike]

Ravenwing Black Knights [3x Black Knight, Ravenwing Grenade Launcher]
··Huntmaster [Corvus Hammer]

Ravenwing Darkshroud [Battle of Signus Prime, Heavy Bolter]

Ravenwing Command Squad [6x Black Knight, Nephriel - Ravenwing Apothecary, Ravenwing Grenade Launcher, Zaelion - Ravenwing Champion]
The Signus Prime is a Forgeworld Legacy of Glory that grants Dark Angels within 6" Furious Charge. This is often more valuable than the Mace of Redemption at similar price.


++ Cult Mechanicus: Codex (2015) (Allied Detachment) ++

Dostoyon Vladimus 12 - Tech-Priest Dominus [Conversion field, Macrostubber, Raiment of Technomartyr, Volkite blaster]

Kataphron Destroyers
··FIVE Kataphron Destroyer [Heavy grav-cannon, Phosphor blaster]
I dropped the Stasis field because Ezekiel will be with this unit and he's Fearless.

++ Imperial Knights: Codex (2015) (IK Oathsworn Detachment) ++

Knight Errant [Heavy Stubber, Reaper Chainsword]


++ Dark Angels: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++

Librarius Conclave [Ezekiel]
··Librarian [Auspex, Melta Bomb]
····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Space Marine Bike]
····Psyker [Level 2]
··Librarian [Auspex, Melta Bomb]
····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Space Marine Bike]
····Psyker [Level 2]
That's seven chances to get Invisibility, although if Ezekiel is the only one, that's gonna be a harder game.

 Caranthir987 wrote:
You army looks great btw. Good luck
Oh thank you, but there's a lot more painting and basing to be done. I'll update with progress.

Are these Librarians more valuable than the assassin and bike squad they replaced? Are they driving my model count too low?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8316101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8316101.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Also on that first list, I'd take out the expensive mace of redemption, it's nice against regular marines, but costs way to much for my taste. With the points you save you could buy a combi-grav for your RW srgt, and a few more other things. Firing two grav guns and a combi-grav can kill a riptide in one turn if he didn't boost his shields. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8318208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8318208.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Moronic Brewer wrote:
I like the first list better. Your librarius conclave is going to have a hard time stopping deamons or eldar seer council with 20+ warp charge vs your 7. But the assassin on the other hand, with The right placement, can stop any psykers.

Also on that first list, I'd take out the expensive mace of redemption, it's nice against regular marines, but costs way to much for my taste. With the points you save you could buy a combi-grav for your RW srgt, and a few more other things. Firing two grav guns and a combi-grav can kill a riptide in one turn if he didn't boost his shields.
Thank you for the feedback! I still can't decide between the two lists and I think I'll need to do some playtesting as well as real research on what's popular.

Yes, I've removed THE MACE in favor of that Furious Charge Legacy of Glory. I'll consider some combi-grav if any more points open up.

Also, after reading the draft mission packet with its buffs to armies without a Lord of War, I'm considering replacing the Knight, but what could I replace it with that can help counter two wraithknights or AV14? The Ravenwing Support Squad is excellent but that won't cut it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8322398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8322398.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
I'm not sure how many points dropping the knight will get you, but I think that change will give you enough pts for a grav squad and to add more to that black knight squad or to add in a flamer bike squad to get rid of those pesky pathfinder marker lights.

Though don't feel pressured to take out the knight, he is great, and the benifit for not taking a LOW is not completely game changing.

Btw, your army looks great so far!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323286.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016 40k on their site. Not the easiest to navigate thru for a first timer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323578.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Saythings wrote:
Just curious. What are the advantages for not bringing a LOW? Tried finding the 2016 rules for 40k on their site. Not the easiest to navigate thru for a first timer.


Gw makes you buy rules]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323645.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323645.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Saythings wrote:
Just curious. What are the advantages for not bringing a LOW? Tried finding the 2016 rules for 40k on their site. Not the easiest to navigate thru for a first timer.
yeah it's not on the front pages, it's linked in the event page.

http://www.adepticon.org/wpfiles/2016/201640Kchampprimers.pdf

Apparently those rules regarding big stuff come from Escalation.

The rest is here: http://www.cvent.com/events/adepticon-2016/custom-19-01df4466111c40aa81d0521e7861b012.aspx

I should probably link that at the top OP...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323768.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
+1 to seize the initiative and 1 VP for every 3 hull points/wounds done to a Super Heavy.

Anything else that I missed from that packet? Definitely not much of a downside. Going 2nd usually helps in mission based games anyhow. hehe

I went to a local rogue trader tournament and there were no disadvantages at all for taking super heavies. In fact, it was a double tournament and my partner and I killed a Baneblade AND a Wrathknight one game and we didn't get any bonuses towards it. We did hold the relic at the end and won regardless. haha.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323874.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016 BRB, so not everyone plays with them. In fact I hadn't heard of them. ITC does allow the outclassed opponent to roll on the Escalation Warlord Trait table, which helps some.

And yeah, I think it's still worth it to bring my Imperial Knight because I don't have any other models that hit nearly as hard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8323903.page GMT Re:[1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
I chose grav over melta. The only AV13-14 vehicles I'm really worried about are Knights, and I have my own Knight to tie them up.
+++ Adepticon Draft 2015-12-21 (1850pts) +++

++ Dark Angels: Codex (2015) (DA Ravenwing Strike Force) ++

Arion - Ravenwing Bike Squad [2x Grav Gun, 5x Ravenwing Biker]
····Arion - Ravenwing Sergeant [Chainsword]
····Ravenwing Attack Bike [Multi-Melta]

Ravenwing Darkshroud [Battle of Signus Prime, Heavy Bolter]

Zacharius - Ravenwing Black Knights [4x Black Knight, Ravenwing Grenade Launcher]
····Zacharius - Huntmaster [Corvus Hammer, Melta Bomb]

Ravenwing Command Squad [6x Black Knight, Nephriel - Ravenwing Apothecary, Ravenwing Grenade Launcher, Zaelion - Ravenwing Champion]

Sapphon - Interrogator-Chaplain [Auspex]
····Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum, Space Marine Bike]

++ Officio Assassinorum: Dataslate (2014) (Inq Officio Assassinorum Detachment) ++

Culexus Assassin

++ Imperial Knights: Codex (2015) (IK Oathsworn Detachment) ++

Knight Errant [Heavy Stubber, Reaper Chainsword]

++ Dark Angels: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++

Librarius Conclave [Ezekiel]
····Archibald - Librarian [Auspex]
········Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Space Marine Bike]
········Psyker [Level 2]
····Malik - Librarian [Melta Bomb]
········Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Space Marine Bike]
········Psyker [Level 2]

my biggest concern should be obvious: without the Mechanicus unit, Ezekiel could get left behind by the bikes. But I want to playtest this; in most games I think the command squad can stretch out to keep him within coherency. And in the one game I played with him in that unit, his +1 Attack buff, combined with zealot, really supercharged the hammers.

What else should I be concerned about?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8340953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8340953.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Replace Ezekiel with usual Bike Lib. Find space for a 4th one if you feel really struggling with the right powers. You will thank me many times later.

I've heard that Ravenwing Grenade Launcher left its glory in 6th Ed.
Also not enough RWBK. Bunch of 3-ofs are awesome.

And Darkshroud - what the hell is this upgrade? I'm against IA things as tournaments generally does not permit them and you should be too(probably)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8341438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8341438.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016 DA conclave.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8341763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8341763.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
 Lammikkovalas wrote:
You can't replace Ezekiel in a DA conclave.


But you can replace DA in DA conclave. Not having a 6"-move liability guy is indefinitely better than some models who can't make 2+ reroll jinks.

Like they were doing it sticking into RWBK anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8341870.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8341870.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
cabal_therapy wrote:
 Lammikkovalas wrote:
You can't replace Ezekiel in a DA conclave.


But you can replace DA in DA conclave. Not having a 6"-move liability guy is indefinitely better than some models who can't make 2+ reroll jinks.

Like they were doing it sticking into RWBK anyway.


Sure you can and that's exactly what I'd do. White Scars council and the Hunter's Eye relic on one libby? Yes please.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8342058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8342058.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Yes, a White Scar bike conclave would be much more competitive. But that's where I draw my line: I have these Dark Angel Librarians painted and I want to stay WYSIWYG. With that limitation, is the Dark Angel conclave still valuable? Or should I replace them with something else like the Mechanicus grav destroyers or a Ravenwing Support Squad or more Black Knights and bikers?

Unfortunately there's no place in my detachments for a transport for the assassin. Infiltrate will get him onto one of Adepticon's jumbo objectives, hopefully that's enough for him to be effective? I'm more concerned that he can't be in the same zip code as my own psykers.

I've had good luck with the stasis grenades. Black Knight shooting is great, but it's in assault where they're devastating. Stasis grenades level the playing field against things like wraithknights and Dreadknights.

The Darkshroud upgrade is an Imperial Armor Legacy of Glory upgrade discussed above in this thread.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8342482.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8342482.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016 Wysiwyg only regards wargear options AFAIK. How I paint my dudes is my business and mine only.

Consult your tournament judges, they may allow it with no strings attached,]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8342679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8342679.page GMT Re:[1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Everything's at least basecoated

Haven't changed list recently; needs much more playtesting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8390115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8390115.page GMT [1850] - Ravenwing / Knight Errant / Kataphron / Culexus - Adepticon 2016
Maybe this means my bikers should have melta guns now since I have grav covered?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8397389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/672650/8397389.page GMT