Yarium wrote:Well that's your issue then. Hate to say it, but if you're unwilling to take alternate options due to a commitment to keeping lore-driven, you will find taking on certain opponents to be extremely challenge. For future note, make sure to reference this in other starting posts... otherwise you'll just get the same list-driven changes as stated above. People give those suggestions because they work, but also tend to push playgroups towards playing tourney-competitive builds that are definitely NOT lore-driven.

Of course... who ever said you can't do something with a challenge!?!

So, let's try to limit ourselves to basic dudes, since that seems to be what you're doing. If you're looking for help without modifying your list though, post your current list and maybe some tactical help can occur.

I'd recommend trying to focus-fire single monsters at a time, and keep a power fist hidden in a squad. Try to get as much use of those Hellfire (that's the fleshbane ammo?) rounds as you can, because just dealing lots of wounds will eventually get through the 3+ save, and if you can deal 4 wounds in a single round you'll take them out. Regeneration only works if they're alive AND if they've suffered wounds. Wounding 5 monstrous creatures for 1 wound each means they get 5 opportunities to bring back the wounds. If you have put 4 wounds and killed one monster, and wounded 1 other, they get only 1 roll to bring back a wound.

Remember to use those Krak grenades in close combat! Getting S6 with your basic dudes for no cost against Monstrous Creatures is terribly effective when you have no other options.

Keep things combat-squaded if possible. If you get charged, your goal should be to have that unit die as quickly as possible so you can shoot the monstrous creature next turn. If that Tyranid Monster is at 1 wound left, charging in with your own guys on your turn may help too.

Remember that non-Flying Tyranid Monsters are very slow as well. If you can move quickly through use of Rhinos and/or Razorbacks, you will be able to stay out of their reach. In this case you may be able to just slowly whittle them down, or just avoid them entirely and play a game of "snatch the objectives". That may sound boring, but trust me, the game will quickly become a lot more interesting when you both have a lot of units available at the end of the game!

Good luck!

 TheMuppetMaster wrote:
So I've been fighting Nids for the last three weeks and can't seem to take them down due to their large wound pools high toughness and regenerate ability. I play vanilla marines and I just can't seem to feild the amount of firepower it requires to take even a unit of warriors down much less a carnifex brood or flyrant. Any suggestions would be amazing.